Oh, I'm definitely considering it. I guess the Series X will be the console to own for third-party games! 😊
The PS5 for the exclusives.
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DF: PS5’s Variable Clocks Will Force Devs to Make Choices; Only 1st Party Will Truly Utilize SSD’s Speed (wccftech)
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The PS5 for the exclusives.
naturally it'll change the way you approach game design, but my thought is that we might be underestimating how flexibly developers end up being able to do that
we shall see
I suspected there might be a disparity like this.
To me, Sony revealed a beastly machine in its own right that will help to drastically change the landscape of game development. And yet the majority of posts I've read are disappointment, concern, and straight up FUD.
There are legitimate bones to pick, but the message is overwhelmingly positive. Game developers are excited, and they and others have told us not to focus on TFs. But sadly few are listening.
When Cerny started talking about how a "worst case scenario" would make the system down clock and devs would have to keep that in mind, it really set off some warning signals.
I'm not comparing it to what was always going to be a higher specced console. The way I look at it is how much better is it from my current console. I don't consider PS5 to be a compromise in any way.
It really is interesting especially when people are comparing this to the PS3's cell processor when the 2 couldn't be more different. Hell, the presentation started with Cerny saying faster SSD was the most requested thing from devs. It seems they delivered on that and then some.
It was a case of superior, specialized, hardware coming in 2nd.
People read this article and think the authors know something. They don't know it's BS.
The problem with the approach Sony are taking is that its more of a game design philosophy approach than the usual graphics / framerate "hey look at me" approach. Feels more like a Nintendo move in some ways and not sure it will really be effective in marketing terms
When you have a better looking, higher res / better framerate version of COD / FIFA / Madden etc on Xbox due to better raw power and PS5 just loads it a bit quicker from a marketing perspective Sony is losing.
Think the issue is not all games can benefit from infinity better storage speeds, you're going to hit a cap pretty quick on 90% of games whereas 100% of games can easily look a bit better with 10-15% extra raw power.
I'm certainly interested to see what Sony 1st party does with it though
When you have a better looking, higher res / better framerate version of COD / FIFA / Madden etc on Xbox due to better raw power and PS5 just loads it a bit quicker from a marketing perspective Sony is losing.
Think the issue is not all games can benefit from infinity better storage speeds, you're going to hit a cap pretty quick on 90% of games whereas 100% of games can easily look a bit better with 10-15% extra raw power.
I'm certainly interested to see what Sony 1st party does with it though
I dont see how the variable frequency will have that much of a detrimental effect. Cerny said its clocked to power not heat, so surely it just means if your not using the gpu much it clocks lowers as its not needed so much. However if you want full power you get full power, simple.
Sorry Edit included extremely important adjective;specialized.
I know software is moving to a data based approach, but MS has a solution that is already so far ahead of the current base that it is hard for me to see the potential behind a lightspeed drive wiith weaker everything else. Half of lightspeed is still stupid fast compared to what we have rn.
Seems to be the case.
Though there's a lot we havent seen yet so I wouldn't put any bets down yet. 3rd party devs can still take advantage of the ssd and audio chip in ways more than just faster load times and 3d audio. How much is yet to be seen.
Most games being multiplatform kinda puts a damper on it. But I'm excited to see what WWS does tho.
I can't wait to see games running on this thing. Glad the tech specs are out the way for both systems, although not for Lockhart yet (which seems highly likely it will be 4tf now)
Just like with Cell, nobody outside of 1st parties is going to push this close to the max.
Not really, games that take advantage of sony's SSD and exclusives will shine.
I'm trying to get my head around what variable clocks means and keep thinking about how a CVT transmission works (rightly or wrongly).
I imagine the base state is at full frequencies but only varies down if the game demands less? And this continuously varies.
I imagine the base state is at full frequencies but only varies down if the game demands less? And this continuously varies.
Who could have seen that one coming? /s
Teraflops is all some care about, apparently.
Cell caused legitimate problems for developers and harmed the console in the longrun.
This isn't like that.
I don't really see it as compromise, even just going by raw numbers it's still an extremely capable machine. Instead of looking at it from the angle of Sony making their machine weaker, look at it as MS over delivering on power.
Remember, 12 tfps was considered the upper end of realistic expectations when both machines were just being speculated.
I think time will tell. I posted about this in the audio thread but... people who have tried Sony's 3d reality audio seemed to be blown away. Even with using a pair of headphones.
Xbox back on top with multiplat games is a lock now, but obviously the Sony exclusives will look amazing just like the PS3 exclusives
I'm fine with that. Get XSX for everything and then PS5 for Sony exclusives. Best of both worlds.
Wait, people are saying Sony is forcing them to make a choice by having better speeds in the SSD? Why not say Xbox is forcing them to make a choice by having a lower SSD speed?
Yep. Especially now with the bad news about PS4 BC, I'm all about curating my library on Xbox and just reserving my exclusives for PS5.
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Audio is a change maker if done right. 3D audio in VR is AMAZING. Also, Sony is making a new controller that will enhance the experience. I am certain the game experience is gonna far better than in other systems when these features are fully on.
Problem is that these big innovations will only be explored and mostly utilized by their first party studios. Unless Sony doubles down on their first party production, the PS5 is bound to be the next Wii U. Epic fail.
Does the forum believe that the PS5 will have an enhanced version of Cyberpunk available at launch like the Series X? I wonder how the variable clocks on the CPU and GPU will affect CD Projekt Red enhancing it.
Huh, I thought Cerny made it clear that even when the power drops they'll only drop about 2% in frequency. So 10.2 flops drops to about 10, and this is offset by the frequency being significantly faster with many elements of the processing working faster than they would on a comparable XSX. I dunno, it sounds like PS5 isn't going to be a vast gulf behind what XSX is capable of pushing. In a world of highly variable resolutions and much more mature techniques to improve lower resolutions on our 4K displays, I can't imagine we're going to be seeing the kinds of 1080p to 900p scenarios we had early on this gen.
It's a competent machine, I'm not trying to downplay how insanely fast the SSD is, of course it'll have it's advantages.
But the SSD on the Series X is no slouch either... You're right though, we've yet to see how much of an impact either solution will have. Interesting times ahead!
Hasn't Xbox been on top for console multi platform games for over 2 years now?
LOL, I suspected as much. Era and the internet at large have a funny way of overreacting to news and focusing on the wrong things (Tflops in this case). As long as devs are happy that's all I care about. Seems devs wanted faster SSDs the most, and Sony more than delivered in that aspect. The TFlop difference between both consoles will be negligible in the real world but I'm excited to see what devs (particularly Sony's 1st party) can do with the ultra-fast SSD.
He said the frequency needs to be lowered "a couple procent", which in turn would yield a 10 % decrease in power consumption. He never said how low it'll go though, he never gave us an interval, and that I find worrisome.
I'm expecting the Series X to have the better RT solution as well (thanks to the larger amount of CU's). That, to me, makes a bigger difference than say 3D audio.
Got no issue with either console, but Sony dropped the ball on BC. Next we won't get anything like "SmartDelivery".
Developers right now spend a massive amount of time building games to work around how slow HDDs are. The classic example in contemporary games is that they'll force you into a confined space where you can't see the area you've just left or the area you're about to enter so that they can get rid of the old and load in the new. The most obvious example of that is the edge-through-tight-gap that you see in God of War, Uncharted, The Last Jedi and so forth. It's not just the annoyance of those low-interactive and repetitive sections that suck, it's also the fact the worlds and levels have to keep sending you through them.
The vision of creative directors is always constrained by hardware. The HDD is one of the biggest constraints to creative vision in current gen games. The massive jump in bandwidth will allow developers to get much, much closer to that vision. This is true for both XSX and PS5... but the PS5 is much better at it and more over because the PS5 will have true exclusives much sooner we'll see the effect of it much sooner on the PS5 than on the XSX.
People should be more excited about the SSD stuff. The XSX GPU is twice as powerful as the X1X GPU. The PS5 disk->RAM bandwidth is more like 50-100x that of the PS4 Pro disk->RAM bandwidth.
It's not really throttling though. The system appears to be way more sophisticated than the usual "boost modes" of other devices. Also, according to Cerny increased frequencies provide certain benefits that are independent to raw TF numbers. So I find people's comparisons rather simplistic.
I don't get it either. Both consoles are very impressive in their own ways. I can't wait to see what devs can pull off with this power. When I see some of the games we got this gen from 1.3 and 1.8 Tflop consoles I'm still blown away. Now we are getting consoles that completely blow those older consoles away and some people are still finding ways to complain, smdh.
Jedi Fallen Order had so soooo many and they never stopped feeling silly.
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Switch has two modes so two different fixed clock speeds.
PS5 is said to have variable clock speeds but the range of variation hasnt been specified, just the maximum.