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Diablo IV announced
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Oh, yeah thats true.
And if you're referring to the Gorelight leak, I'm not sure I buy it. There's plenty they got wrong in it. PVP section is a huge red flag, for example.
Blizzard, basically - when the director of the game is coming out saying the game is nowhere near to ship, not even by Blizzard standards, people are simply going to extrapolate that to some of the longest timetables imaginable.
On the flipside, I think 3-4 years is a realistic timetable given both what we've seen, how 'barebones' some of the proposed systems are, and how readily they are taking feedback, as if to say they are at a point where they can be flexible to community feedback, versus being set in decisions they built assets & such around many months/years ago.
Yeah, I'm watching Rhykker's stream and he just went through it (Gorelight's "leak"). First time I've read it since the announcement, and the PVP thing is a big flag for sure. Dude used the term MMO several times too, and they've been specifically avoiding the use of the term MMO.
Actually, plenty of the devs have described the over-world areas by calling it MMO-spaces or shared world spaces. And the director got on stage during the initial reveal of D4 and said some of the things they were focusing on bringing forward from each game in the series prior:
Diablo 1 - aesthetics & tone
Diablo 2 - itemization & class lineup
Diablo 3 - world-class combat
The director basically praising the class lineup of Diablo 2 in particular means there is a better than not chance that the initial lineup of classes is going to be focused on some configuration of 5 of the 7 D2 classes. Considering that we haven't gotten 5 of the 7 D2 classes since D2, (we got Barb & Necro in D3), I think the community would be okay with getting a D2-focused class lineup and then building out expansions/seasons with new classes.
I don't recall them ever specifically using the term MMO, despite it being fairly close. Shared world, yes. I don't remember hearing them call it a MMO. I could be mis-remembering though.
A lot of Gorelight's leak is pretty vague. Some of it is surprisingly accurate, some of it is kind of iffy. Bringing the Rogue back from the original Diablo is absolutely a potential move if they don't want to gender lock the Amazon, or feel there's too much lightning damage already. Frankly I'm totally cool with either, as long as there's a bow class. I love the Amazon, and the Rogue.
I kind of hope it is simplistic in a way. I was playing PoE earlier and was starting to get a bit overwhelmed to the point of dampening my enjoyment.
Curveball: we workin' for Lilith.
Wait, the one and the same? Maybe he's learned something about being overly timid and unreceptive to criticism over the years...
Yeah that leak is really weird, they got the whole druid transformation thing correct which would be a wild coincidence. But on the other hand, Tristram being a hub town seems unlikely because it's on another continent, and they bring up a combo system that we didn't see. Also, from what devs have said regarding the other two classes, it really doesn't sound like they've decided on anything, so I'd be skeptical about Paladin/Amazon too. Could be real and fake information intermixed?
I was wondering re plot - maybe the Nephalim from D3 are the leaders of the cult bringing Lilith back. They would have reason to call her mother, and it would absolutely echo the D2 storyline where the heroes of the previous game are the bad guys of the next.
I think that is fair but 4 years seems extreme. I'm think 2.5 to 3 years max IMO. I'm sorry if I missed it but is this a new engine?
In game development, sincerely asking, isn't the engine creation the biggest time chunk of the production?
The engine is quite possibly not done yet though, probably being built up along with the game itself.
It's apparently Rathma, one of the very first nephalem, the first necromancer, and actual son of Lilith
Would be the most interesting thing story wise in a Blizzard game in decades.
Apparently Not. I thought it was (they are using the cinematic image as the pic for Rathma on the wiki, for example), but it seems it's just an assumption/educated guess that people are running with.
No its not. They said at one of the panel's that it was a Triune priest. (And no, Rathma would never be with the Triune. Also he hates Lilith anyway.)
Most likely someone new.
How is the pvp in Diablo 3? Like I dont even know how viable for pvp that game would be since I just played it like a single player game. Maybe ill just watch some videos.
Complete after thought with no regards to balancing. It's the same with PoE.
Apparently Lost Ark has a robust PvP.
If they do some sort of Diablo MOBA-like mode, like they seemed to be describing, that could be really cool. PvP zones could be really interesting too if there are high value crafting items within them.
It barely exists. You talk to a guy in act 1, he sends you to one small map and you duke it out, whereupon it quickly becomes obvious that the game was not balanced for PvP in the slightest. (You also don't actually die there when defeated.)
Diablo IV is apparently being built keeping both PvE and PvP balance in mind, giving it a much better shot of fulfilling its initial PvP goals. It seems like they have a better overall idea of what they want PvP to be now by zoning it off to particular areas, giving a good balance between Diablo II's hostility feature and players who just want to do PvE stuff.
That would actually be really cool. Having a Gambit-like mode where you kill mobs and hinder the other team with tough enemies (and the occasional invading player) could work very very well if they pulled it off right.
I am not feeling this one.
While the Blizzard Cinematics Team did stellar work as always, I just already feel burned out when it comes to the game itself.
While the Blizzard Cinematics Team did stellar work as always, I just already feel burned out when it comes to the game itself.
FFA between Heaven, Hell, and Lilith's Children (we're the cool "hybrid" faction).
It depends on game, really. For game like Diablo i think the design and prototyping, and asset creation is the biggest chunk of production. They can do most of that without an engine.
Holy shit if true. Going to enjoy the lore a lot if a lot of this pans out.
Apparently there was some miscommunication/hearsay there, probably not Rathma.
I'm honestly glad the game is so far out and really hope that means they're shaping the game based on what the various communities want. There are a lot of voices out there (streamers, youtubers, etc.) advocating for what people want out of this game (it's all pretty much a consensus as well), and I really hope Blizzard is listening.
The more i listen to Diablo 4 devs the more i think they are totally clueless about what are they doing and how things should work
Here they got a question about what is their approach to balancing PVP, because its almost impossible thing to do in this kind of game and their answer was that they are thinking about PVP from the start and designing classes and systems to make it work.
The answer should be pretty great except we know what they've implemented so far. They showed that items scale at least 25x from lvl 20 to 40. They said that items scale up with every tier of dungeon and they do not have currently real limit to the dungeon tiers and they also implemented skills that have invulnerability or ones that give you another life. So things that cannot work in game that threats PVP seriously.
I really hope that within one year they will make 180 turn on all mechanics, because otherwise this game will be doa for me.
Here they got a question about what is their approach to balancing PVP, because its almost impossible thing to do in this kind of game and their answer was that they are thinking about PVP from the start and designing classes and systems to make it work.
The answer should be pretty great except we know what they've implemented so far. They showed that items scale at least 25x from lvl 20 to 40. They said that items scale up with every tier of dungeon and they do not have currently real limit to the dungeon tiers and they also implemented skills that have invulnerability or ones that give you another life. So things that cannot work in game that threats PVP seriously.
I really hope that within one year they will make 180 turn on all mechanics, because otherwise this game will be doa for me.
Hope springs eternal! I'd love playing a gray faction organized under Lilith, some angelic allies, and the reawakening Nephalem against both Heaven and Hell trying to rub us out.
Their philosophy is fundamentally broken when it comes to how they view systems and mechanics in an arpg imo. I just don't think there's much more to say for me personally because it's disappointing. I don't think they'll take any of the feedback seriously either. Everything else about the game is great looking.
Serious question, does anybody actually care about the story in Diablo games?
Maybe 2 when I was a teenager, but man I had no idea what was going on in 3 nor did I really care.
Maybe 2 when I was a teenager, but man I had no idea what was going on in 3 nor did I really care.
The tone and atmosphere have always been more important but I think they could do something really interesting with the narrative too.
I always pay attention to lore, even when it's nonsense. Of course, I prefer when it's not nonsense.
The presentation of the story in 3 was so terrible that it pushed a lot of people into not caring. Aside from the trainwreck writing and dialog I found the story extremely over explained and apparent throughout. One of my favorite things about the first two games (especially the first) was that it left a lot to the imagination. There were quests and lore tidbits but you didn't have a lot of conversations with angels/demons like you did in 3 which took all of the mystique out of their existence. They also gave the demons personalities of childten's cartoon villians. I didn't care much for the actual story either and found playing the role of an overpowered nephilim inferior to that of the previous games where you more of an underdog in a desperate and terrifying situation.
I do want to see a quality story in D4 but I want it to be more in the background. Keep the conversations with supernatural beings to a minimum, let our imaginations fill in the blanks (less is more approach), and stick with the dark horror theme to keep the Diablo franchise in the mature space it should be in.
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He dodged the hell out of Zizs question and most questions to be honest.
First answer about getting stronger each level reminded me of D3 power fantasy nonsense.
He had an interview with Quin69 that was better than this panel but still somewhat worrying. Too much talk of legendaries.
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At face value, I don't have a problem with legendary stuff being the primary focus of endgame gearing/progression. That was how I played Diablo 2, and it definitely beats the Diablo 3 method of gameplay being entirely dictated by the handful of sets every class has. Finding unique gear that offers a new way to play your character, or provides a serious boost/augmentation to how you are already playing is a solid, exciting core to build the loot hunt out of. I'm just concerned that they seem to be the only thing that really matters given how simplified the overall stat system is.
The Atk/Def thing? It's basically just D3 main stats again, which is really a cop out on their part because they should be trying to make Int, Agi, & Str meaningful stats again. Removing the flavor is lame too.