This type of criticism has zero traction behind it. No one is boycotting the game because it's historically inaccurate. No one is writing lengthy Reddit posts because it's historically inaccurate. People who care about this sort of stuff make a note of it and move on. My point is that the people brigading and upvoting shit don't give two fucks about it being historically accurate. They're completely fine with inaccuracies until women and minorities come into play.I disagree. While it is true that Battlefield V is not obliged to be historically accurate, whether it's books or films or videogames -- all these have always faced criticism for portraying real events -- or fictional events in a real time period -- in an overtly inaccurate way. To varying degrees a significant number of people do care that, for example, Braveheart is complete nonsense. Or that The Great Escape played far too fast and loose with the lives and deaths of those individuals.
Just look at the criticism of the recently released Bohemian Rhapsody film for taking real events that happened and twisting them into something misleading. This falls under the umbrella of "historical accuracy".
Battlefield's problem at its heart is that its multiplayer is quite popular and multiplayer games by nature are never historically accurate and fun at the same time and anyone pretending otherwise is deluding themselves a bit. Historical accuracy is the domain of singleplayer games. Battlefield has long had singleplayer campaigns. So it does fall under that scrutiny to some degree.
The recent 11-11 Memories Retold by Aardman is a recent example of a videogame that has tried to be historically accurate for the purposes of making the stories it has to tell more genuine.
They can interpret World War 2 however they want, and consumers will either respond to it positively and buy the game, or they won't.Ah,
So because the game isn't full on alternate history with mechs, it's not allowed to interpret World War 2 how it wants? Am I understanding what you're saying properly?
IGN summarized its reaction in its review of the game: "Secret Weapons of WWII, while based in historical equipment and encounters, nevertheless offers up a steroid-enhanced version of the regular game with plenty of new weapons that were on the cutting edge of technology (or merely on the drawing board) at the close of the Second World War. For some players this extra touch of Hollywood seems a bit out of place relative to the previous games."
There is more behind the game failing than just the playable-women controversy and the childish reaction certain elements of the internet are having (particularly on reddit), even if it's the thing a large part of Era seems to focus on exclusively.
In Battlefield 1, an American gambler disguises himself as a member of the British upper class while making zero effort to use an accent which everyone notices and is played for laughs, and then he basically wins the Battle of Britain, before dramatically jumping off the side of an exploding German airship into the Thames. He survives, naturally,.
I recall exactly zero complaints about how this was spitting on the graves of the brave men who fought in the Battle of Britain.
Battlefield V comes along, and the weirdos go berserk. I feel like these were the same chaps who got vaguely upset over Hannah in Battlefield 4 (a very authentic character, incidentally, since China has an all-female special forces unit), but their discontent has been amplified by war nerd shit. In Enemy Front, an American journalist was pivotal in, IIRC, the enigma being cracked, and the Warsaw uprising, and also the Heavy Water sabotage operation. I don't remember howling outrage. Sniper Elite has you shooting Hitler in the nuts. Is this historically accurate? No. It doesn't have to be.
This recent wave of GAMER RAGE has become extremely unpleasant to witness. There have always been people trying to stir shit up. But now they feel empowered. I feel like Mass Effect 3 was a bit of a turning point.
On a minor note, DICE put a lot of effort into these campaigns. They're not always good, but as far as storytelling goes, it's something DICE take very seriously, and many reviewers were impressed by the humanity and general decent quality of the War Stories. I kinda wonder whether EA need to create a moderate budget singleplayer "War Story" series to explore human stories of war, basically. Hire people like Peter Jackson to consult. Go for the whole "art game" angle while also making them fun to play. Because making Battlefield campaigns is a bit like casting pearls before swine. The people raging about the contents of Battlefield V's campaign are the exact kind of people who are gonna refuse to play the campaign anyway because they're MP gamers and MP is all they care about. DICE are very proud of what they've made, and it's a pity their work is so ignored.
Sledgehammer didn't give a fuck. They made a creative decision and stuck with it.
DICE's "mistake" was to directly engage the MAGA shitbirds and call them out.
Hey I'm enjoying it too but when they claim to respect history and authenticity it sounds like they will go by the books. And there are some inaccuracies with the "untold" war stories but I'm not gonna derail the thread.Okay? That doesn't tell me they are trying to be historically accurate. That tells me they wanna have just enough authenticity to make the game enjoyable while still being respectful.
They accomplished that. People need to stop trying to make the "historically accurate" defense work. It's not going to.
Now this is where I call bullshit. No Battlefield fan can be this interested in historical accuracy in a Battlefield game to wish for it's death, with the knowledge that there's a large group of people wishing for that same thing to signal a stance against inclusivity.They can interpret World War 2 however they want, and consumers will either respond to it positively and buy the game, or they won't.
Yeah the communities on Reddit and Era are a fraction of the Battlefield fanbase.
It isn't selling quite simply because it's not a very good Battlefield game and is getting poor word of mouth. The content isn't there. The gameplay isn't there. But people will blame it on politics because it fits their narrative.
The weird thing here is that Call of Duty WWII did the same thing, including women as soldiers in the multiplayer mode. It became one of the biggest sellers on PS4/Xbox One.
Are Call of Duty fans more mature than Battlefield fans?
I'd be down for exploding homing pigeons too, historical accuracy be damned.Or we could just not give a crap about historical accuracy and include women anyway?
Lol they're so butthurtSurely this has been posted, but thread about them talking about era specifically. So much cringe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefiel..._dice_dev_posts_on_resetera_if_anything_this/
Hateful people have hateful jokes basically. Nothing positive in their lives so they have to tear down others.Lol they're so butthurt
Hey incels! Stay losing and die mad about it :D
Personally, I skipped BF5, and it's the first mainline game since BF2142 that I've skipped (2142 was due to non-gaming reasons). For me, the problem is the schizophrenic tone. They are slavishly accurate in some areas - no M1 Garand because British and German Forces didn't field them for example, and only maps that those two factions specifically fought on during a specific period of the war. And then in other areas, zero fucks are given because it allows them to sell more cosmetics, and this game is clearly focused on microtransactions now that Premium has been removed.Now this is where I call bullshit. No Battlefield fan can be this interested in historical accuracy in a Battlefield game to wish for it's death, with the knowledge that there's a large group of people wishing for that same thing to signal a stance against inclusivity.
I'm not saying you have to buy the game for the sake of wokeness, but you have to know historical accuracy will be the last thing on the list of takeaways from this games failure.
High key
Man that is just plain sad.Surely this has been posted, but thread about them talking about era specifically. So much cringe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefiel..._dice_dev_posts_on_resetera_if_anything_this/
Yes I'm sure some WW2 vets are upset about women videogame avatars.Y'all are not talking about the other victim of DICE's game, the WW2 vets, yes - they feel disrespected by this game, by the inclusion of women and minorities. I was just told this, vets are watching this game closely.
if you think that's said, check out the thread at the "old place".
Yes I'm sure some WW2 vets are upset about women videogame avatars.
if you think that's said, check out the thread at the "old place".
https://www./threads/genderfield-v-the-saga-continues.1468749/
Man, it makes me glad that Era doesn't stand for this kind of shit.
Surely this has been posted, but thread about them talking about era specifically. So much cringe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefiel..._dice_dev_posts_on_resetera_if_anything_this/
(He was being sarcastic)Yes I'm sure some WW2 vets are upset about women videogame avatars.
Oh god there's a really obvious joke I want to make here but I can't put the pieces together quite right!
So, maybe drop the defensiveness? You don't have to take this stuff so personally, and you do yourself a disservice by standing up to say why something isn't misogynist in a topic that you agree is about misogynists trying to latch on to those same arguments.Yes, you nailed the problem.
I was saying that complaints about historical accuracy can be legitimate. Even in this context I can believe that a few people are bothered by the presence of women simply as an immersion breaking level, without any political implication at all.
But it's also true (imo) that this argument is then used as some sort of trojan horse to use as a political movement and that sweeps over like a tsunami (same as GG used journalist transparency as another trojan horse). It's quite possible that a lot of that noise is even coming from people who never played a Battlefield game.
Because of this, it's important to keep them separate and not brush away the fact that some people CAN legitimately complain about historical accuracy and nothing else. They do not deserved to be clumped with bigots and misogynists.
They are the masters of projection.For people who like to call others "snowflakes" they sure do like to complain alot and be melodramatic.
A dissenting opinion that didn't result in a ban for "downplaying concerns about representation" or some such? What has happened to this site?I see DICE double down on the stupid. Let see how much this game gonna sell.
There is a site called "NeoGaf". Between the years 2012 and 2017, the place became overrun with far-left types openly banning/silencing anyone who dared speak out against the "popular opinion". Well, they weren't able to have as much control as they would like and so they created drama, posted porn, gore, and other nasty things enmasse to get banned and created their own site: ResetEra.
ResetEra is a gaming forum that hates games and gamers. They openly push racist agendas, hope for the deaths/exile of most (if not all) conservatives, openly dox members of the community they do not like (such as the former CDProjektRed community manager) and make false accusations of sexism/transphobia/homophobia/racism/alt-right/etc. You can see it all at ResetEra.*************
Also, their mods post shit like this:
https://i.imgur.com/9Jlx1bb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/559da4j.jpg
Would you be surprised if I told you he was a Neogaf member?The literal fake news retelling of how and why resetera was formed is disgusting. Like... Is this just one twisted guys imagination or is there really some official storyline out there to retell?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/a2vsag/-/eb1ugzo
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His source is Kiwifarms. That alone should tell you all that needs to be said about that person. They aren't even worth the time of day.The literal fake news retelling of how and why resetera was formed is disgusting. Like... Is this just one twisted guys imagination or is there really some official storyline out there to retell?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/a2vsag/-/eb1ugzo
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Not surprised in the slightest. It's a hate website at this point.Would you be surprised if I told you he was a Neogaf member?
https://www./threads/show-us-your-gaming-setup-2018-edition.1460463/page-5#post-253365635
Ah, that guy is... erm.. something.The fact that r/the_donald and r/braincels are still active and allowed on Reddit is fucking disgusting. Hell, this guy who posted the 100th thread on the topic is a full-blown pedo, if you check his comment history. Obviously is also an avid user of the mentioned subreddits.
Not surprised SkillUp (or his brother, whatever) is jumping on the bandwagon. I don't know why anyone give his channel, and all similar channels, the light of day. They all parrot the same stuff.
if you think that's said, check out the thread at the "old place".
https://www./threads/genderfield-v-the-saga-continues.1468749/
Man, it makes me glad that Era doesn't stand for this kind of shit.
Would you be surprised if I told you he was a Neogaf member?
https://www./threads/show-us-your-gaming-setup-2018-edition.1460463/page-5#post-253365635