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DICE Celebrates Battlefield V's Launch With #EveryonesBattlefield, r/Battlefields Goes Up In Flames
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This type of criticism has zero traction behind it. No one is boycotting the game because it's historically inaccurate. No one is writing lengthy Reddit posts because it's historically inaccurate. People who care about this sort of stuff make a note of it and move on. My point is that the people brigading and upvoting shit don't give two fucks about it being historically accurate. They're completely fine with inaccuracies until women and minorities come into play.
Also, elenarie getting called out by the idiots on Reddit, that's how you know you're doing it right
https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefiel..._dice_dev_posts_on_resetera_if_anything_this/
They can interpret World War 2 however they want, and consumers will either respond to it positively and buy the game, or they won't.
By the way, I didn't think this existed.
From wikipedia:
Yeah the communities on Reddit and Era are a fraction of the Battlefield fanbase.
It isn't selling quite simply because it's not a very good Battlefield game and is getting poor word of mouth. The content isn't there. The gameplay isn't there. But people will blame it on politics because it fits their narrative.
This is why the historical accuracy argument is a farce and I will never accept it as a valid concern.
I really wish they actually pushed more for historical accuracy. As you point out, there were roles for women in these conflicts, as well as huge swaths of lives of soldiers (let alone civilians) we just don't see in games. French resistance fighters. Female SOE agents. Black american engineer corps. Most of the Eastern Front, almost all of the Chinese side of the war, the Phillipines, etc. But it gets flattened into just more variations of shooting.
As it is, it generally only gets brought up in these situations as a disingenuous proxy for culture wars.
I'd love for something like you imagine, though. If these games can't or won't support those tales more story-focused single player games might be a better fit.
Okay? That doesn't tell me they are trying to be historically accurate. That tells me they wanna have just enough authenticity to make the game enjoyable while still being respectful.
They accomplished that. People need to stop trying to make the "historically accurate" defense work. It's not going to.
I think there's more to it. People rarely want to give Activision credit for things, but from the start of this generation with Ghost they pulled the trigger on having women on the battlefield. This was all the way back in 2013. So since there those CoD fans have played a new game every single year that featured women. Which meant by the time WWII rolled around it was just a forgone conclusion that women would be in it. So there really wasn't much pushback to it because fans of the series were already on board with the idea. For whatever reason DICE was the hold out here. I think journalists had been asking them for as far back as BF3 why there weren't any female characters on the Battlefield, and they always had some excuse. And that hear certainly cranked up with BF4 because CoD that year had female characters. DICE still didn't really have a reason for why they weren't in.
So I think a big part of this is that a long time ago Activision made it clear that if you were playing a CoD game then you'd be seeing women on the battlefield. And that's how it'd be regardless of whether it was set in the present, future or past. And for as much as they've been maligned over the past generation for being kids while fans of other games were the real adults, it doesn't really seem like it bothered fans of that series.
Hey I'm enjoying it too but when they claim to respect history and authenticity it sounds like they will go by the books. And there are some inaccuracies with the "untold" war stories but I'm not gonna derail the thread.
Now this is where I call bullshit. No Battlefield fan can be this interested in historical accuracy in a Battlefield game to wish for it's death, with the knowledge that there's a large group of people wishing for that same thing to signal a stance against inclusivity.
I'm not saying you have to buy the game for the sake of wokeness, but you have to know historical accuracy will be the last thing on the list of takeaways from this games failure.
What? Nobody is blaming the poor sales on 'politics' aside from the people criticising the use of women. Even in this thread someone was bleating on about 'DICE got what they deserved, if they listened to the right it would have sold'.
There's been PLENTY of topics on Era and Reddit that have absolutely laid into Battlefield's content issue/release strategy.
And this is a topic specifically about the politics of a certain issue.
People are well aware the game didn't do as well as if could have due to competition and its own design flaws, no sane person is blaming the sales on women being present in the game besides those who are criticising it.
Call of Duty never pushed women to the spotlight in COD WW2. It was only later known that they would be in multiplayer.
I think that's the reason, why it didn't have similar effect.
I'd be down for exploding homing pigeons too, historical accuracy be damned.
Like the pigeons, I think expanding the Battlefield across both genders is transformative in a way that won't bother some people and will bother others, to varying degrees. But the people who are the most bothered by the gender issue happen to generally be shitty and misogynistic, so there's additional enjoyment to be had from their impotent cries of anguish.
Using a music analogy, if you're arranging a song and you change sections of it some people will undoubtedly complain. But the artist has to be confident in their art or there's no point. So I admire DICE's confidence in their vision.
Surely this has been posted, but thread about them talking about era specifically. So much cringe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefiel..._dice_dev_posts_on_resetera_if_anything_this/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefiel..._dice_dev_posts_on_resetera_if_anything_this/
Lol they're so butthurt
Hey incels! Stay losing and die mad about it :D
Hateful people have hateful jokes basically. Nothing positive in their lives so they have to tear down others.
Personally, I skipped BF5, and it's the first mainline game since BF2142 that I've skipped (2142 was due to non-gaming reasons). For me, the problem is the schizophrenic tone. They are slavishly accurate in some areas - no M1 Garand because British and German Forces didn't field them for example, and only maps that those two factions specifically fought on during a specific period of the war. And then in other areas, zero fucks are given because it allows them to sell more cosmetics, and this game is clearly focused on microtransactions now that Premium has been removed.
Weve had these same arguments over and over in BF5 threads. I've previously outlined many approaches they could've taken to, in my opinion, make a more cohesive game while still including their heavy microtransactions focus and still made good use of the WW2 setting.
Unfortunately, the game they've made sits in no man's land. It operates within some arbitrary constraints that limit enjoyment, but then not enough so as to sell the full WW2 setting and make some gains on that side from atmosphere/immersion, or whatever you prefer to call it.
I played the hell out of the BF5 Beta, and it never felt like a WW2 game to me, unlike DICE's previous WW2 entries in BF1942 and BF1943. It felt like watching airsoft players do a low budget WW2 re-enactment. I thought that was really sad, and I still don't know why they opted for WW2 as a setting.
Y'all are not talking about the other victim of DICE's game, the WW2 vets, yes - they feel disrespected by this game, by the inclusion of women and minorities. I was just told this, vets are watching this game closely.
Yes I'm sure some WW2 vets are upset about women videogame avatars.
if you think that's said, check out the thread at the "old place".
https://www./threads/genderfield-v-the-saga-continues.1468749/
Man, it makes me glad that Era doesn't stand for this kind of shit.
The title of the thread is fucking "GENDERFIELD" and there is not a mod in sight.
That place really has gone to hell since we left hasn't it.
Good, let it burn.
Oh god there's a really obvious joke I want to make here but I can't put the pieces together quite right!
Complete "White people______" in any thread in that subreddit and you will get some interesting responses.
I just wish it was a better game. As a big fan of battlefield 1, that game just seems better than this one in every way.
So, maybe drop the defensiveness? You don't have to take this stuff so personally, and you do yourself a disservice by standing up to say why something isn't misogynist in a topic that you agree is about misogynists trying to latch on to those same arguments.
In response to this very thread:
So good news, it's working.
Gamer Genocide is happening right before our very eyes.
For people who like to call others "snowflakes" they sure do like to complain alot and be melodramatic.
A dissenting opinion that didn't result in a ban for "downplaying concerns about representation" or some such? What has happened to this site?
The literal fake news retelling of how and why resetera was formed is disgusting. Like... Is this just one twisted guys imagination or is there really some official storyline out there to retell?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/a2vsag/-/eb1ugzo
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/a2vsag/-/eb1ugzo
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Would you be surprised if I told you he was a Neogaf member?
https://www./threads/show-us-your-gaming-setup-2018-edition.1460463/page-5#post-253365635
His source is Kiwifarms. That alone should tell you all that needs to be said about that person. They aren't even worth the time of day.
Not surprised in the slightest. It's a hate website at this point.
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I'm getting a headache from all the Reddit users' nonsense.
It'll be a good thing if more devs stand up like DICE did and these people just go away.
It'll be a good thing if more devs stand up like DICE did and these people just go away.
It's funny cause they call ResetEra a safe space, too political and whatnot, and links NeoGaf, a shithole that aligns with his political "views", these people are the true snowflakes.