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Digital Foundry’s John Linneman shares his thoughts on Sonic Forces which he got early
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I mean this game looked like total shit from second one. People are just willingly being suckered at this point
Bubsy also looks pretty bad, it's also a tad too expensive to pick up as a bad game.
Will be interesting to see the critical reception of Forces.
The worst mainline Sonic Team game since 06?
Would be kind of funny after people like Jim Sterling said to go back to the generations style after Lost World was kind of mediocre.
...though it's oddly worse than Generations in a lot of ways? Looks kind of bland and they took out drifting
Will be interesting to see the critical reception of Forces.
The worst mainline Sonic Team game since 06?
Would be kind of funny after people like Jim Sterling said to go back to the generations style after Lost World was kind of mediocre.
...though it's oddly worse than Generations in a lot of ways? Looks kind of bland and they took out drifting
Unless headquarters orders them to, I can't imagine Sonic Team giving up control over mainline Sonic. Sega has a history of tremendous egos, and that would be like the ultimate ego blow.
Honestly I'd expect Sonic Team to try and sink Whitehead before handing the Mania team a mainline game.
How one of the most recognizable IPs in the industry could be so mismanaged for so long and seeming keep getting away with it is beyond me.
Looks like it was out at a German Shop early.
Was anyone expecting anything different, I hope Sonic Mania helps Sega see the Sonic Future.
Was anyone expecting anything different, I hope Sonic Mania helps Sega see the Sonic Future.
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Oh boy... after all those fucked up 3D Sonic's they finally nailed it with Generations only to fuck it up right after with shit like Boom and now, as it seems, Forces... -_-
His main criticism seems to be how utterly short, boring, and simple the level designs are, and having seen a good chunk of the game's stages (even late-game) I have to agree. In another thread I compared it to the worst parts of Sonic Colors - just simple, blocky level designs that are over in a minute or two and have absolutely no challenge or complexity. Nothing on the scale of Generations or Unleashed's modern Sonic stages.
I personally don't want to see the death of 3D Sonic just because Mania was much better than their recent efforts.
Sonic needs another Unleashed styled reboot after crashing. Kind of like with Sonic 06 being the 4th mainline game in the Dreamcast style and Sonic Team changing things up a lot.
Take inspiration from Mania and Utopia. No more 2D Sections. 3D momentum based gameplay
Sonic needs another Unleashed styled reboot after crashing. Kind of like with Sonic 06 being the 4th mainline game in the Dreamcast style and Sonic Team changing things up a lot.
Take inspiration from Mania and Utopia. No more 2D Sections. 3D momentum based gameplay
This wasn't done by the Generations team, or at least not the director.
That's unfortunate. Had a little optimism that it would turn out well.
Sonic Mania for Christmas it is then.
Sonic Mania for Christmas it is then.
is he even capable of making a 3D Sonic game? because if Sonic's relegated to 2D-only, the series is dead to me
Lifelong Sonic fan here, played all the games. From what I've seen and played, I'd actually list this below 06, but not below Boom.
06 at least had life to it. Phenomenal music, vibrant art design, and if you can get past the glitches, it was basically another Sonic Adventure game.
This game though? None of that, plus glitchy. I watched the entire stream and the levels were super short with no exploration (people aren't kidding when most can be beaten in 1-2 minutes). The game has only 30 acts, this includes bosses, with only six areas: two of which are just Chemical Plant and Green Hill.
The game advertises these returning bosses but,
A lot, and I really do mean A LOT of the content is recycled in this game, from the stages, to assets, to even
All the stages are linear with "boost to win" being actually literal here. Go on Youtube and look up the S-ranks of stages, it's basically just that.
I enjoyed Adventure 1 and 2, 06 to an extent (basically just not Silver's story), Unleashed, Colors, and Generations, and this is honestly the most disappointed I've ever been with a Sonic game. Here I was thinking Lost World couldn't be topped in mediocrity.
I'm genuinely concerned with what SEGA is doing with the 3D Sonic franchise. Forces had such a small staff with so many being newbies in the field. It really saddens me that after four years without a 3D Sonic game, this is what we get.
06 at least had life to it. Phenomenal music, vibrant art design, and if you can get past the glitches, it was basically another Sonic Adventure game.
This game though? None of that, plus glitchy. I watched the entire stream and the levels were super short with no exploration (people aren't kidding when most can be beaten in 1-2 minutes). The game has only 30 acts, this includes bosses, with only six areas: two of which are just Chemical Plant and Green Hill.
The game advertises these returning bosses but,
you actually only fight Zavok and Metal Sonic. With Chaos and Shadow being taken down in a cutscene. Heck, the last Infinite fight is a reskin of the Metal Sonic fight.
A lot, and I really do mean A LOT of the content is recycled in this game, from the stages, to assets, to even
the final boss.
All the stages are linear with "boost to win" being actually literal here. Go on Youtube and look up the S-ranks of stages, it's basically just that.
I enjoyed Adventure 1 and 2, 06 to an extent (basically just not Silver's story), Unleashed, Colors, and Generations, and this is honestly the most disappointed I've ever been with a Sonic game. Here I was thinking Lost World couldn't be topped in mediocrity.
I'm genuinely concerned with what SEGA is doing with the 3D Sonic franchise. Forces had such a small staff with so many being newbies in the field. It really saddens me that after four years without a 3D Sonic game, this is what we get.
Whitehead doing the 3D series I'm not sure would happen but they definitely need to let him make more 2D games.
It basically has the Colors/Lost World director, and the level designers from Unleashed/Gens got shuffled to other positions. Between a level lead that has experience on the storybook games / SLW / Runners, and two basically new level designers, a lot gets explained real quick.
Old throwback Sonic Mania turns out to be good while modern Sonic Forces turns out to be shit?
Why im not surprised.
Why im not surprised.
Potentially worse than Bubsy? I doubt it, considering that game's length, content, and price. That said, yeah, I'm not too surprised to hear Forces is average. Though I have a feeling it'll have a reasonably-sized cult following among Sonic fans, particularly because it doesn't seem entirely atrocious like '06, and looks to hit a lot of those Adventure-style story beats a lot of the fanbase loves. Thankfully we've had an influx of good platformers within this last half of the year, a great Sonic game included, so it's not a big loss.
This game has the Lost World level designer as the Lead Level Designer this time...and Lost World had HORRIBLE level design.
After playing Bubsy and Sonic Forces...the two are surprisingly close in quality. Bubsy has slightly janky level design, but at least it actually respects the player's control. Forces...doesn't.
This game is barely even 3D. The 3D parts are too on rails and the 2D parts aren't much better.
lol why not just cancel your preorder and move it to DOOM or something? This game is not going to be fun. I'd bet my life on it.