I see your point but I think MS including an option for 1080p to achieve some kind of frame rate sweet spot would court more criticism for them than be beneficial. Hell they get enough flak from enthusiasts over their promises of 4k gaming.
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Digital Foundry: Anthem Console First Look: Xbox One X/ PS4 Pro Head-To-Head
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I see your point but I think MS including an option for 1080p to achieve some kind of frame rate sweet spot would court more criticism for them than be beneficial. Hell they get enough flak from enthusiasts over their promises of 4k gaming.
You still comparing last gen hardware to Pro and X hardware? Let's just drop it.
I remember many people felt that the XB1X setup is ideal (including DF), that forcing SS on every game is better than Sony's solution. But I always felt that giving us the choice to force 1080p without SS in favor of performance ala PS4 Pro is better. Why force SS on every title? We all know console performance is not always perfect. Sure there aren't many titles that this benefits, but choice is better IMO.
I was referring to the fact that ps4 has the ability to push out a 1080p mode with an unlocked framerate that fluctuates in the 40s and 50s. This should be an option in the game for ps4 pro and xbox one x. Infact the game should have both a 1080p 30 fps lock mode and a 1080p unlocked fps mode for ps4 pro and xb1x.
Because these mid gen refresh machines were trumpeted for their 4K presentation. In all honestly, I believe Pro is the only console with the option to eliminate SS right now because of how lacking it is at delivering that promise.
I had no initial attachment to this game, and now seeing the overt technical lie of the reveal next to the demo, I doubt that I ever will. Game structure that splits missions into multiple load-times in an "open world" is a red-flag to pretty fundemental design and technology shortcomings.
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That doesn't give me any more reason to believe that having an option to disable SS is not the better option. Not every X title has perfect performance... far from it.
I don't understand. There is no parity...so that's not the reason.
Still, not buying a game you may enjoy because of a few frames here and there.
Wow.
Oh is that it? Seems like fullscreen doesn't have triple buffering so you get hard drops to 30fps.
Some people still find the 1X performance fine, I just don't get it. It's horrible and completely destroys the feel of the movement in this game.
Think of the examples where 1080p without SS is touted as a plus on Pro. I can only think of two. One of those games is RDR2, a game with poor IQ on Pro when weighed against X1X's 4K presentation. So much so that a drop to 1080p left some people reporting experiences of a cleaner image over Pros (4K) max visuals, and also a slight bump in performance.
Then there's KH3 where the Pro's performance in default mode is so bad (even running at a lower Res than X1X) that dropping the Res down to 1080p is preferable to playing the game with its high resolution,a benefit which most Pro users purchased the console for.
A user that wants to drop almost all X1X games all the way down to 1080p for the sake of a few frames is an extremely marginal fraction of the user base, as it should be if the hardware is doing it's job as advertised.
Isn't that supposed to be worse for performance compared to dedicated full screen ?
The vsync is double buffered otherwise, so any drops below are pretty rough and immediate feeling. I did not test to see if it would mean a lower overall performance or something. I doubt it, very much so.
It should still be an option at system level, especially for people still on 1080p TVs. Kingdom Hearts 2 is absolutely crying for that option on 1X, it could potentially run at mostly 60fps instead of constantly dropping down to the 40s. Someone who bothers with buying a Pro console in the first place probably has a high chance of caring about frame rate. One of the main reasons I bought them was because I was sick of playing games at sub 30fps but you still get that type of performance a lot since developers just keep pushing resolution.
Double buffered vsync ... man. I thought most companies would have enforced built-in triple buffering by now.
Really makes me wish the resolution setting on the X worked the same way, those FPS gains would be even better.
So we've narrowed it down to one game. In the case of KH3 maybe the onus is on the dev to implement this option? X1X only seems to need a dynamic Res implementation to achieve solid 60, not vanilla 1080?
Try to run in borderless mode. I got a significant boost in performance.
So we've narrowed it down to one game. In the case of KH3 maybe the onus is on the dev to implement this option? X1X only seems to need a dynamic Res implementation to achieve solid 60, not vanilla 1080?
Player the demo all evening on X and the framerate is indeed far from stable, still it didn't ruin the experience completely for me. That's not to say I don't want a stable framerate though. I really hope BioWare is hard at work on optimizing it for the X. Even if it's a crystal clear downgrade it's still a great looking game and it should look and perform the best it possibly can on X. Come on BioWare.
Yeah no, there's a lot of other examples but that's just the one that people complain about the most. Shadow of the Tomb Raider is a game that didn't get close to a locked frame rate on either modes. I would have taken a 1080p/30 mode for that game. AC Odyssey is another game that has sub 30fps performance and stuttering so a 1080p option might have helped there as well.
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Will NOT be surprised if Anthem is a disaster at launch. If anything, it should be expected by now. After all, it's EA and with Anthem being a live service game, all they care about is getting you in day one and then fix the problems later on. Visually, not a surprise at all as once I saw it at E3 2017, I told my friend that it's running off a high end power PC. No way in hell was that running on a console including Xbox One X as there was just no way.
My interest is minimal at best. Will wait on reviews and gameplay videos once the game actually launches before making a decision. Gameplay, combat and flying around looks good and could be a lot of fun but not if there's technical issues on launch day.
My interest is minimal at best. Will wait on reviews and gameplay videos once the game actually launches before making a decision. Gameplay, combat and flying around looks good and could be a lot of fun but not if there's technical issues on launch day.
If you bought either Pro or X1X with the hope of playing huge third party releases such as those ones you mentioned at 1080/30 then those machines definitely were never meant for you.
If there's no option in-game (I'm playing on PC, but I own a Pro), go into your PS4 settings, under display mode, and set the resolution from 2160p to 1080p, and turn off supersampling. Now the Pro is outputting standard PS4 visuals, at much higher framerates (depending on the game, typically).
Why are you so defensive about this? Why do you keep bringing up Pro? Why would almost all games drop down to 1080p?
Keep SS on by default. Give an OPTION to disable it. It's not about which games Pro offers better performance due to this option, it's about how many games don't offer 100% locked frames on X and people that would like the OPTION to sacrifice IQ to give you better performance. Why would it hurt to have this option and why is forcing SS on every title better than having a toggle?
FWIW, I'm not saying Pro is ideal either, but at least you have options.
I never said 1080/30, I said 30fps. Expecting a so called premium console to at least hold 30fps properly isn't some outrageous expectation. We're not even asking developers themselves to put performance first anymore because it's clear a lot of them won't and aren't going to. We're literally asking Microsoft to put in an option (that already exists on the PS4 Pro) that might help brute force better frame rate at the expense of image quality. When Tomb Raider has a 4K mode that runs at 25fps with frequent screen tearing that's an issue to me. I mean what are you even arguing against at this point?
I just named 2 games that came out within the last 6 months and you just deflected with something you just made up in your own head. You could easily come up with a lot more that run at extremely high resolution but have sub 30fps dips constantly. Hitman 2 is another one.
I think it's even easier than that. Why can't people just do what MS suggested early on and instead have a locked frame rate with dynamic resolution. That way you always hit the target FPS and have a stable experience while at the same time have it already "patched" for next gen as it will always be running in 4K on stronger hardware. And dynamic resolution isn't that big of a deal imo as it's not that noticeable in most cases.
Just finished my first mission of demo. Canceled preorder. Looks awful and runs awful.
Not paying full price for launch issues and content given this things. I'll wait and see how things shake out in a month.
Not paying full price for launch issues and content given this things. I'll wait and see how things shake out in a month.
Have the choice in the game setting is the best thing ever but in the UI goosh no. The coherency.
It's not a defensive attitude, it's a practical one.
I bring up the Pro because to achieve a framerate boost in these games you have to drop to 1080p! And it's not like it's a widespread feature. There's a reason for that.
There is no way of boosting frames on either mid gen supported games without dropping the Res to 1080p.
If you're arguing for total scalability in consoles that's a whole other argument and one which console makers have never showed interest in.
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So there is an option for a 1080p/30 lock for Rise on Pro?
Also name me a premium console that's always offered locked framerates, across all games while you're at it. I'll wait.....
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Yes, that's the entire point. The PS4 Pro has a system level option to run every game at 1080p which is what people are asking for on the 1X.
What premium/Pro consoles did we have before this generation?
What the hell ? This is the fourth games run better on PS4 Pro this year.
This really got to me. I wasn't sold on this game but wanted to like it more. Maybe because it's a demo but it didn't feel right
Yeah I just noticed this too. I wonder what are DF's thoughts on this. This can't be a coincidence that so many big titles caught up to and even surpassed XBX in performance in 2019. Did Sony unlock additional performance to developers?
The only other aspect you emphasised is 'bad ports' which isn't relevant to this title i.e. each release platform is being curated at the same rate at the same time. However, you did open up with 'console parity' so...what else?
Anyways I don't think there's a case for this at all. It's a game with a few oddities...much like every other game ever released. I can only assume your catalogue of games must be quite small and not at all enjoyable.
No aditional performance "unlock" could bring parity let one superior performance over XBX, the silicon advantage is big to be overcomed by "unlocking" performance for developers.
What are the others ones running like for like?
There have been a few that you can run at a lower resolution, but that doesn't really apply in this comparison