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Digital Foundry || Death Stranding PC DLSS 2.0 vs PS4 Pro Checkerboarding: Image Reconstruction Analysis
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That depends on consoles being able to use tech of similar results.
For xbone Ms talked about ML and specifically called out image reconstruction, but we don't have any examples running on the actual hardware to see how it performs, and Sony haven't even said if it's on the table at all.
CB while not absolutely terrible imo does not cut it. I'm fond of the reconstruction tech UE and Inso use, but I dunno if can get to the insane resolution drops that ML based solutions are achieving.
It seems to be usable at other resolutions too. I saw a YT vid of someone doing 1440p with UP mode enabled.
I just did some tests, 1080p 144hz monitor.
i7-6700k 4.5GHz
RTX 2060
32GB RAM
DLSS OFF - 110-120fps
DLSS QUALITY - 120-130fps
DLSS Ultra-performance - 130-140fps
I guess there's no reason for even performance DLSS for 1080p to exist on this game unless you want to try and get 144fps+. And as it's a very slow-paced game 120 is enough and easily achievable with a 2060. At this point it seems it's bottlenecked by the CPU as the framerate doesn't go up that much.
i7-6700k 4.5GHz
RTX 2060
32GB RAM
DLSS OFF - 110-120fps
DLSS QUALITY - 120-130fps
DLSS Ultra-performance - 130-140fps
I guess there's no reason for even performance DLSS for 1080p to exist on this game unless you want to try and get 144fps+. And as it's a very slow-paced game 120 is enough and easily achievable with a 2060. At this point it seems it's bottlenecked by the CPU as the framerate doesn't go up that much.
I just did some tests, 1080p 144hz monitor.
i7-6700k 4.5GHz
RTX 2060
32GB RAM
DLSS OFF - 110-120fps
DLSS QUALITY - 120-130fps
DLSS Ultra-performance - 130-140fps
I guess there's no reason for even performance DLSS for 1080p to exist on this game unless you want to try and get 144fps+. At this point it seems it's bottlenecked by the CPU as the framerate doesn't go up that much.
Might be able to test performance if you use DSR so you can downsample from 4k.
Just tested on my 4K TV, here the results. Not sure how the compression will destroy the screenshots, but here they are.
Short version:
On RTX 2060 at 4K
- DLSS OFF - 40fps
- DLSS QUALITY - 50fps
- DLSS PERFORMANCE - 70fps
- DLSS ULTRA PERFORMANCE - 80fps
Long version (pics):
4K DLSS OFF - 40~fps
4K DLSS QUALITY - 50~fps
4K DLSS PERFORMANCE - 70~fps
4K DLSS ULTRA PERFORMANCE - 80~fps
Thanks for that.Just tested on my 4K TV, here the results. Not sure how the compression will destroy the screenshots, but here they are.
Short version:
On RTX 2060 at 4K
- DLSS OFF - 40fps
- DLSS QUALITY - 50fps
- DLSS PERFORMANCE - 70fps
- DLSS ULTRA PERFORMANCE - 80fps
Long version (pics):
4K DLSS OFF - 40~fps
4K DLSS QUALITY - 50~fps
4K DLSS PERFORMANCE - 70~fps
4K DLSS ULTRA PERFORMANCE - 80~fps
On my 1080p/240Hz display,, my 9700K is CPU bottlenecked in performance mode as well, at around 150~170fps depending on the scene.
What? I thought DLSS Ultra Performance mode was exclusive to Ampere and only for 8K, as it's 1/9 of the resolution.I just did some tests, 1080p 144hz monitor.
i7-6700k 4.5GHz
RTX 2060
32GB RAM
DLSS OFF - 110-120fps
DLSS QUALITY - 120-130fps
DLSS Ultra-performance - 130-140fps
I guess there's no reason for even performance DLSS for 1080p to exist on this game unless you want to try and get 144fps+. And as it's a very slow-paced game 120 is enough and easily achievable with a 2060. At this point it seems it's bottlenecked by the CPU as the framerate doesn't go up that much.
Your Ultra Performance screenshot is 1/9 of 1080p? Thats almost unbelievable that it looks still so good.
I think it's only 1/9 for 8K on those games that support it. 4k ultra performance had less performance than native 1080p for me, so I guess ultra performance for 4K it's around 1200p or so if performance is 1440p and quality 1600p or 1800p (dont remember).
1080p Performance is 540p. Quality is 720p.
I have no idea what Ultra would even scale from, if it works at 1080p.
We know nothing of machine learning solutions.
Unless there has been an NDA because AMD hasn't formally announced RDNA2, and they are going to announce something built into the architecture, the answer is no and Sony is still going to be utilizing their checkerboarding techniques.
Nope, there is nothing we currently know of. DLSS is a Nvidia technology and AMD currently has nothing like it but they do have upcoming events for their new CPU & GPU and they possibly could announce something then but if they had something for the PS5 I would think we would have heard by now...
This appeals to the snob in me though. The closer titles can push to 120-139 the better for monitors I own. IQ means so little to me as I will straight up play 240p titles on 1080p big ass flat screen with no issue.
DLSS is always helpful for these moments. If you're 60fps not really but if you 120-240fps/hz gamer this stuff really helps the margins.
I do not think they will have anything. I mean, it would be a crazy weird plan to one, let your competitor come out with cards before you even announce anything and on top of that, allow the narrative that you can't compete with their killer feature continue as well.
I think they would have said SOMETHING, even in conjunction with the consoles about it if they had a DLSS equivalent.
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Don't bet your horse on AMD having anything like this for this generation of GPU. Nvidia is truly a level ahead of the field on this.
Outside the machine learning part, temporal upsampling and temporal injection are close to it.
Meaning how you render the scene and prepare for upsampling.
It seems to work, so if it works at 1/9th resolution like it does for 8k, 1080p UP mode would be upsampling from 640 x 360, and 1440p would be ~853 x 480.
The results seem too good to have that as the starting resolution though. Maybe it breaks down a lot in motion or something.