Why would AMD's RT solution be as impressive as Nvidia's? The former has shown an inability to compete with the latter even on equal footing, and consoles introduce serious constraints.
Last edited:
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
Digital Foundry Direct: PlayStation 5 Controller, UI, SSD News Reaction + Analysis
- Thread starter Dimple
- Start date
Potentially. The only thing "beefy" about this gen was ps4's gpu. Next gen, it sounds like the gpu, CPU, and hard drive will be quite beefy.
Sorry, you're not getting a full console with better specs for a lower price than my $800 video card. It ain't happenin.
But you have to understand how important it was to get their foot in the door with RT. Without it, you would have had literally the weakest, most anemic visual upgrade of a console generation ever in the history of consoles. Now, even with minimal RT hardware, it might even appear to be one of the bigger ones! RT accel definitely is a bigger visual jump than what we saw from PS3 to PS4 / PS4 Pro.
Worst case they can make RT effects with more static, that take longer to resolve, or are less sharp. IMO that doesn't matter much at all.
I think midway did with it's lightgun shooters like Terminator 2? Rumble was a thing in arcades well before the home.
oh a wiki search unearths that Sega did it in 1976 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haptic_technology
it also shows that the actual innovators were back in the 50s by govt labs.
Teleoperators are remote controlled robotic tools. When the operator is given feedback on the forces involved, this is called haptic teleoperation. The first electrically actuated teleoperators were built in the 1950s at the Argonne National Laboratory by Raymond Goertz to remotely handle radioactive substances.[56] Since then, the use of force feedback has become more widespread in other kinds of teleoperators, such as remote-controlled underwater exploration devices.
Last edited:
Rumble Pak released in Japan in April 97
DualShock released in Japan in November 97
a low power draw console is going to be worse than a $600 gpu? No way!!??
That's exactly what it is. And from my perspective, although it will never be like a force feedback wheel....if it can approximate it close enough, I would love to be able to save nearly $300 next gen. It's why I hope (and honestly expect) the scarlet controller to have this too, of both controllers have it, devs will utilize it
agreed. I even find It annoying with some games on the Xbox One controller. audibly loud buzzing from controller motors is not cool, it's just annoying.
This post is dripping with hyperbole and PC owner defensiveness.
RT alone is a bigger jump than from PS3 to PS4? lol, no. The texture improvements and higher resolutions alone made that leap bigger. Even the prettiest PS3 games, like Uncharted 3 are clearly behind a game like Uncharted 4. RT only has a notable affect in isolated situations and environments. Better textures and resolutions can be noticed everywhere at all times.
and that's just the GPU. Still need a CPU, RAM, SSD HDD, mother board, power supply, case, controller or keyboard/mouse.
it's going to be comparable to something you can build for $500-$600.
Yeah but I have an RTX card a PS4 and a PS3. I'm saying how it is.
Yes, you should get excited about PS5 now.
I hope that we're not relying too much on digital foundry to make these determinations on what to make of next gen hardware - in the event they take on another large conflict of interest and score the deal to get to reveal the scarlett specs to the world as they did for the One X.
Last edited:
I'm very excited about the PS5, but not because of ray tracing.
I see ray tracing on these new consoles as likely meaning lower frame rates as developers try and awkwardly force it into their game so they can loudly market the feature and put it on the back of the box. I'm much more excited at the prospects of higher frame rates and graphical refinement the PS5 can offer, but I fear ray tracing is going to show up to the party and spoil some of that.
Last edited:
ps5 will be purpose-built for the upcoming yearly knack releases
That's a fair apprehension, and you're right. I'm playing sub 1080p 60fps in some games to maintain max RT effects.
FWIW, RT effects can demand a lot of CPU processing power so none of the power will be going to waste.
I said Dual Analog, not Dualshock. Different controllers.
To be clear, I don't care who did what "first" as any new technology that enhances gameplay sounds good to me. So getting "HD rumble" style features and the "tension / rumble" triggers similar to XB1 for next-gen would be great, especially if all platforms had it and thus more devs would be willing to utilize it.
Nope. The Dual Analog was the predecessor to Dualshock and came out in Japan in April 1997. It had been shown off for 2 years before releasing, but in EU and America it didn't have the rumble feature (though the circuit board still had a spot to connect the rumble to).
The Pro Controller has it as well.
Correct. The most impressive thing I've personally experienced is when HAL made the HD rumble play a song in Kirby Star Allies. I Ihink I also noticed something with the way the scooter felt in Super Mario Odyssey. These were experienced on the Pro Controller. I don't know if the Joy-Con experience is different. I think I remember noticing something in ARMS, which I believe I played with the Joy-Con.
I believe there are a few showcase games, but I don't know if I've played them. I also don't really find rumble that memorable in general, so I'm probably forgetting some.
I hope the DS5 puts the option and share buttons in spots that are a little less ass. Make the touchpad flush and you can shave some off at the bottom and put the buttons right above the speaker.
If Switch 2 has improved graphics then it means Nintendo ripped off PS4 having good graphics.
Isn't HD rumble on joycons some noisy piece of crap? this is what I've mostly read about at least.
I really hope isn't something really "buzzy" on DS5.
p.s. I really enjoyed the video btw, nice work DF.
I really hope isn't something really "buzzy" on DS5.
p.s. I really enjoyed the video btw, nice work DF.
Only when developers make it like that. if done well it's a small subtle tapping. Like if you know someone with a switch turn on rumble and run in smash bros. And feel the subtle tapping the controller does in time with the character's footsteps.
What I'm saying is that it's tough to crown Sony for some sort of magical SSD tech vs PC SATA SSD or m.2 drives when they've said nothing other than it's proprietary. And like the Digitial Foundry video illustrates, a proprietary drive brings all sorts of new questions and possible limitations.
With the limited amount of information we have at this time, we can only talk about what we know. SSD drives are still more expensive than mechanical drives, and a proprietary setup would make swapping the drives out, or adding externals like we did this generation, impossible. That is unless Sony has something figured out on that front as well. But without more information, how can we speculate otherwise?
They are just being realistic, they are trying to estimate based on what we know.
The price nvidia chargers consumers has absolutely zero relevance
...a year from now, at best. And assuming that $500-$600 PC doesn't require a profit margin for virtually all of the components. And I can bet you PS5/Next box games will need a larger than 8GB PC GPU to get the same quality textures.
Economies of scale, people. In GDDR6 alone Sony has massive bulk buying power over any GPU manufacturer for example.
xbox will upgrade they rumble next year and we will see if you stick to your same statement
pro controller have all the features of the joycon except IR with double the battery life
That's the problem, people are doubting it thinking it requires a magical SSD tech when it really doesn't.
love your response on every system should have it I hope stadia controller have it too I'm still debating to check it out or not I got good internet
lol Don't get mad because he turned that on you. On topic, great video. Can't wait for more info.
I'll then somehow go back in time and hate the rumble triggers? What the hell is your point?
Dev kits can be anything...
Why r so many people so fixated about the dev kit design? U ain't a dev, u r never owning that. Ps dev kits & final hardware are way different...
And yes, that dev kit design is real which again, doesn't matter at all to any of us.
I use both, although Switch's feel better (mostly due to better programming and use by games), I have to give credit for the Steam controller for being able to use the haptic rumble as speakers.