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Digital Foundry: Halo Infinite Trailer Analysis: A True Generational Leap?

Gestault

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If they do any follow-up demonstrations anytime soon, I'd love to see a sort of "best case/worst case" comparison, where they show a scene running on vanilla XB1, XB1X, and then higher-end PC.

What they have here looks impressive already, though it's obviously a best-possible-light sort of thing.

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Navidson REC

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Gestault said:
The Legendary ending
after Corrupted Cortana is pulled away with that slipspace jump (without Blue Team's cryptum) cuts to a new halo ring after the credits, which then lights up as though it were being accessed.
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While I did know that...

m23 said:
A couple things indicating that the ring in this trailer is Installation 07. One small thing is the deer which apparently was specifically described as being one of the species contained on this installation in a book. Another larger clue is morse code in the trailer which translates to "SOS ZETA HALO GRD". Zeta Halo being Installation 07.

Lots of stuff happened on this ring, which is why I'm so interested.
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… I wasn't aware of this. Damn this sounds great! Wasn't Installation 07 significant in the Forerunner books by Greg Bear? Or am I misremembering things? I found these books absolutely fascinating (and they made the Didact one of my favorite Halo characters) and I'd love for them to explore that section of the universe more thoroughly.

I'm so optimistic about this game (and Xbox in general). Love it!
 

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It does looks amazing! Can't wait to find out more.

People downplaying this need new glasses or to start wearing some.
 
Filipus

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Engine Trailer

People complain the animations look weird so it isn't a generational leap

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Stinkles

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AegonSnake said:
lol it's not a generational leap. not even close. doesnt even look as good as horizon or god of war.

BUT the fact that they have completely reveamped the level design to be an open world and add all kinds of animals,.... so many animals... is a great new direction for the franchise and what i have been begging MS to do for years now. Do a full reboot of Gears now.
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Hmm do those games run at 60fps? OF course it looks better than those games because technology has advanced, but even if it was close it runs twice as fast as those games. Hmmm
 
m23

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Navidson REC said:
While I did know that...


… I wasn't aware of this. Damn this sounds great! Wasn't Installation 07 significant in the Forerunner books by Greg Bear? Or am I misremembering things? I found these books absolutely fascinating (and they made the Didact one of my favorite Halo characters) and I'd love for them to explore that section of the universe more thoroughly.

I'm so optimistic about this game (and Xbox in general). Love it!
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Yeah 07 is significant in the Greg Bear books.
 
Navidson REC

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Stinkles said:
If memory serves, PC version of H5 (no plans currently beyond the free MP and Forge product) and no first generation Xbox One support - we are of course supporting OG Xbox one.
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So I guess there's some merit to the split release rumors (campaign first (probably with coop and maybe PvE stuff, MP later)?

I also understand if you can't answer this right now. I'll be there day one for it (or them lol) either way.

m23 said:
Yeah 07 is significant in the Greg Bear books.
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Oh man I really need to brush up on that. This makes me reeeeallly excited.
 
TheGift

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I'm probably just salty because I have a gaming PC and bought an Xbox One specifically for the exclusives. Burnt hard.

Like yeah they could get away with implementing it mid-gen, but if they continue it for their next cycle...how many will decide to go for just PC?
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I'll personally never game strictly on PC. I find consoles to be a much more enjoyable experience. I work on a pc, I like spending time away from it. I think they'll always be popular with kids and parents buying gifts too. It's just much easier to pick up a console. Also, my library. Microsoft has made it clear that my purchases are coming to the next console with me. I'll have over 300 games ready to play day one. At this point, I'll keep buying the consoles to access my library of games.
 
The_Land

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Stinkles said:
If memory serves, PC version of H5 (no plans currently beyond the free MP and Forge product) and no first generation Xbox One support - we are of course supporting OG Xbox one.
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Oh shit. So this IS launching in 2 parts. Don't do this. PLEASE. Everyone assumed the other thing wrong from yesterday was that Infinite was launching with Single Player in 2019 and MP in 2020. Your silence on this issue scares me
 
Black_Stride

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Sid said:
Can you tell the specs of the dev machine?
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Faster than X CPU/GPU
24GB of ram
Probably unlimited storage thanks to networking.

Not really worth mentioning, because the Dev machines can be scaled to almost any configuration from OG Xbox One to Xbox One S to Xbox One X to even beyond X levels.

If you are asking what specific settings this demo was running at i.e CPU, CPU speeds, GPU speeds etc etc.

WHY?

Assume it was close to what the Xbox One X is now....alittle overhead needed for inevitable optimizations, given time they will optimize it so that the engine and game run on S and X probably with a bunch of different settings for a streamlined process.

Now that they have had the Dev kits for a while and are likely looking at a PC version as well they can perfectly balance the game to run across the Xbox family.
 
khamakazee

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They have showcased what is possible with this new engine. Open world, lighting, shadows, water effects, draw distance. If they can do all this in 4K (even dynamic) and at 60fps that's quite amazing. The Xbox One X is also showing it's Brute Force with Forza Horizon 4 which will be playable at 60fps.
 

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Yeah I'd much rather wait until 2020 for a full release rather than staggered in 2019/2020. Not sure if that's what's going to happen but I hope not.
 

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Stinkles said:
If memory serves, PC version of H5 (no plans currently beyond the free MP and Forge product) and no first generation Xbox One support - we are of course supporting OG Xbox one.
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I think you misunderstood him. Or maybe not. He is referring to the rumor that Halo Infinite will launch with Single Player in 2019 and the Multiplayer won't join it until 2020.
 
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RF Switch said:
This is not something i really thought about at least for actual next gen games. 343 has already stated SlipSpeed is an engine designed for Xbox One
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Yikes I just can't imagine what it will look like on the original Xbox One. But I wouldn't be surprised if we see streaming for games that only come to next gen.
 

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I dont think it looks as impressive until to say it's a generational leap

but it's open world, with the option to split screen. That's fantastic.
 
Landy828

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AegonSnake said:
lol it's not a generational leap. not even close. doesnt even look as good as horizon or god of war.

BUT the fact that they have completely reveamped the level design to be an open world and add all kinds of animals,.... so many animals... is a great new direction for the franchise and what i have been begging MS to do for years now. Do a full reboot of Gears now.
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I think one needs to not only understand the context of why he says "generational leap", but also one needs to understand all the tech he's talking about in the video. You can't just "LOOK" at a game and understand everything that is going on. Lighting, materials, scene density, particles, etc...has to be taken into account. A game may have better "art direction" or "look" better to you based on some form of visual preference, but it doesn't mean that the tech and what is happening in each scene/frame is on par with or pulling off the same tech engine wise.

So if he is only referencing any leap in comparison to the Halo series, then I'm sure he's correct. Even if he's comparing it to other games currently on the market, the tech side and the things the engine is pulling off can also be correct as a "leap" or something needing higher-end hardware to be rendered at that level.

A lot of people base their thoughts on simply looking/glancing at a scene...but don't take the time to understand everything that is going on in it visually.
 
Lukemia SL

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Richard's arm movement freaks me out. Why is he doing it!!!!

It looks nice but I'm not seeing some leap here.
 
Sydle

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The_Land said:
Oh shit. So this IS launching in 2 parts. Don't do this. PLEASE. Everyone assumed the other thing wrong from yesterday was that Infinite was launching with Single Player in 2019 and MP in 2020. Your silence on this issue scares me
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What if it was two parts that launched at the same time?
 
TrojanBlade

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Honestly, if this is next gen Halo preview than TOLU2, GhostOfTs, Death Stranding already ahead of it as of now.
 
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The_Land said:
Oh shit. So this IS launching in 2 parts. Don't do this. PLEASE. Everyone assumed the other thing wrong from yesterday was that Infinite was launching with Single Player in 2019 and MP in 2020. Your silence on this issue scares me
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scares you? why? its just a game dude and from the looks of it its going to be great
 
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Why the demo its running on a dev machine? I don't get it. They already preparing for next gen or something?
 
The_Land

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scares you? why? its just a game dude and from the looks of it its going to be great
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I like my campaigns and multiplayer equally. Play the campaign for a few hours then fuck some people up in MP. I would hate for them not to launch at the same time like every other Halo game. You are right! It IS going to be great and it's my most hyped game. I guess I would rather have the game delayed if they are behind on either the MP or campaign then launch at 2 different times
 
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Landy828 said:
What tech in the engines for each of those games are you comparing to come to that conclusion?
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I am comparing the gameplay from those games to the video they showed for Halo. Not even comparing cut scenes which probably will be even better.

I am sure things will improve for Halo as time comes closer for it.
 
Jaypah

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Watched this a few times in 4K on a 75 inch TV and it looks ridiculous. Not perfect obviously, nothing is, but if they can turn out a Halo looking like that I'd be really impressed. Curious to see what the XB1S version would look like because it honestly almost looks too good for XB1X.
 
RoKKeR

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Wow, this video got me really hyped. Not sure I fully appreciated how much tech was loaded into that trailer. Impressive that they are going to fit this onto an OG Xbox One, and presumably at 60fps as well. Have to imagine they are gearing it for a cross-gen release, though.

This trailer did a great job of resetting Halo and hinting towards a big and ambitious future. I'm incredibly excited for what it could be.
 
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Stinkles said:
If memory serves, PC version of H5 (no plans currently beyond the free MP and Forge product) and no first generation Xbox One support - we are of course supporting OG Xbox one.
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As someone with now 3, 4K televisions that support HDR. Is this something 343 is going to embrace? And I don't mean the generic HDR everyone is attempting to do, I mean as someone with a sweet home theatre room and ever improving television tech, you know what it is like when we get soemthing lacklustre. Incorporating HDR into the narrative and art design ground up means you could make something that would blow SDR away. I would rather have this Slipspace engine give me Native 4K with a 25fps stable framerate (don't crucify me 60fps lovers) if it meant industry leading visual fidelity with HDR miles above what others have done.
 
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The_Land said:
Oh shit. So this IS launching in 2 parts. Don't do this. PLEASE. Everyone assumed the other thing wrong from yesterday was that Infinite was launching with Single Player in 2019 and MP in 2020. Your silence on this issue scares me
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So there is merit to the delayed multiplayer release rumor then?
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I don't think Stinkles is answering the rumors about split multiplayer and single player realease dates for Halo Infinite you guys are thinking of. He is saying:

1. The rumor Halo Infinite isn't coming out on current Xbox Ones is not true. It *IS* coming out on Xbox One OG, Xbox One S and Xbox One X.

2. The rumor a PC version of Halo 5 is coming is NOT TRUE as far as he knows.
 
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severianb said:
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I don't think Stinkles is answering the rumors about split multiplayer and single player realease dates for Halo Infinite you guys are thinking of. He is saying:

1. The rumor Halo Infinite isn't coming out on current Xbox Ones is not true. It *IS* coming out on Xbox One OG, Xbox One S and Xbox One X.

2. The rumor a PC version of Halo 5 is coming is NOT TRUE as far as he knows.
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I think they get that. He didn't mention the split because he is not debunking the rumour. Given that he debunked the other rumours, it may mean there is some truth in there being an MP/SP split.
 
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It was a very short non gameplay video.

Im not gonna pass judgement on something thats meaningless to the final product.
 
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