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Digital Foundry: Nioh 2 PS4/ PS4 Pro First Look: 60fps or 30fps? You Decide!
- Thread starter chandoog
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TL; DW
- Lighting is a step up from the 1st game.
- Overall detail not quite on par with Sekiro but targets higher levels of performance.
- HDR is supported.
- Resolution modes can be changed without restarting.
- Screen space reflections appear chunky on any mode.
- Action, Movie and Movie-Variable mode presents.
- Action:
- Focus on 60 FPS w/ dynamic resolution and hit to detail level across the world.
- Pro: 1080p target, can drop to 972p or lower but stays closer to 1080p more often.
- AA technique isn't effective w/ shimmering (not using a temporal AA solution)
- OG PS4: Drops to 720p regularly. Looks jagged but worth the hit if you want 60 FPS.
- Movie:
- 30 FPS cap with higher resolution.
- Pro: 1800p using reconstruction, but can go above and below it.
- Gets RDR2 style double pixel width artifacts. Not awful but doesn't look quite as sharp.
- OG PS4: Native 1080p.
- Movie mode uses tessellation which is disabled in Action mode.
- Some shadows are also dynamic in movie mode and static in action mode.
- Variable Movie
- Similar on both machines, target respective higher resolution with higher frame rate.
- Resolution drops more often because of higher frame rate target.
- Performance:
- Action mode on Pro. 99.9% locked to 60 FPS.
- Action mode on OG: Hits 60 FPS but notable hits and hitches, smooth but not as smooth as it can be.
- Movie mode on Pro. Targets 30 FPS with dips. Includes inherent judder (not bad frame pacing, but related to camera)
- Movie mode on OG: Hits 30 FPS consistently but has same stuttering present on Pro.
- Movie Variable: High res threshold on both, but unlocked frame rate. Mid 40's for most of the game and feels jerky.
- Lighting is a step up from the 1st game.
- Overall detail not quite on par with Sekiro but targets higher levels of performance.
- HDR is supported.
- Resolution modes can be changed without restarting.
- Screen space reflections appear chunky on any mode.
- Action, Movie and Movie-Variable mode presents.
- Action:
- Focus on 60 FPS w/ dynamic resolution and hit to detail level across the world.
- Pro: 1080p target, can drop to 972p or lower but stays closer to 1080p more often.
- AA technique isn't effective w/ shimmering (not using a temporal AA solution)
- OG PS4: Drops to 720p regularly. Looks jagged but worth the hit if you want 60 FPS.
- Movie:
- 30 FPS cap with higher resolution.
- Pro: 1800p using reconstruction, but can go above and below it.
- Gets RDR2 style double pixel width artifacts. Not awful but doesn't look quite as sharp.
- OG PS4: Native 1080p.
- Movie mode uses tessellation which is disabled in Action mode.
- Some shadows are also dynamic in movie mode and static in action mode.
- Variable Movie
- Similar on both machines, target respective higher resolution with higher frame rate.
- Resolution drops more often because of higher frame rate target.
- Performance:
- Action mode on Pro. 99.9% locked to 60 FPS.
- Action mode on OG: Hits 60 FPS but notable hits and hitches, smooth but not as smooth as it can be.
- Movie mode on Pro. Targets 30 FPS with dips. Includes inherent judder (not bad frame pacing, but related to camera)
- Movie mode on OG: Hits 30 FPS consistently but has same stuttering present on Pro.
- Movie Variable: High res threshold on both, but unlocked frame rate. Mid 40's for most of the game and feels jerky.
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I dont know..some swear by their love of native uncompressed pixels.. :p *snicker*
"Doesn't have as much detail as Sekiro"
Well duh, for console one game is designed to target 30fps, one game designed to target 60fps
I noticed everytime df covers 60fps titles for consoles they're always more pessimistic while when covering the 30fps ones always lots of praises etc.
I think DF of all people should know 60fps on consoles in these games especially on base consoles too is not an easy feat and should expect not as top quality graphics, also those slight drops in fps for base PS4 was not bad at all really minor and doesn't detract from the experience will go by unnoticeable to most people playing
Well duh, for console one game is designed to target 30fps, one game designed to target 60fps
I noticed everytime df covers 60fps titles for consoles they're always more pessimistic while when covering the 30fps ones always lots of praises etc.
I think DF of all people should know 60fps on consoles in these games especially on base consoles too is not an easy feat and should expect not as top quality graphics, also those slight drops in fps for base PS4 was not bad at all really minor and doesn't detract from the experience will go by unnoticeable to most people playing
Volumetric sky system! Lighting! Refinements! And the res and 60fps seems about the same as Nioh
I have to give props to Team Ninja from getting a stable 60fps on PS4 Pro.
No easy feat I'm sure.
Seems like console is a good place to play this one unlike Sekiro....
No easy feat I'm sure.
Seems like console is a good place to play this one unlike Sekiro....
variable mode about to go from the worst version to the best version when PS5 drops John?
Seems like the future proof option to me from the devs perspective
Seems like the future proof option to me from the devs perspective
Would the PS5 push this to 4K 60, assuming it has a "boost mode" for unpatched games ala the Pro? Or is there a resolution cap?
he says what improved in the video. lighting, skybox rendering...and detail within the stages themselves.
Ah, okay. I thought the video is just all about framerates and resolution. Thanks, watching now.
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The Variable Movie mode is basically future proofing on the developers part.
It will run at 1800p (Or higher, if there is a dynamic threshold related to console power as well) and full 60 FPS.
The few I played Nioh 1 the movie mode was horrible, like a lot worse than Demon's Souls performance (and I found that enjoyable). I don't know if I will get this (I would like finish the first one before haha), but I like they let us choose sacrifice performance or resolution.
Yeah... I'm not a frame rate snob but non-60fps Nioh surely isn't really Nioh at all.
You've noticed incorrectly then because that was never the intent. There are plenty of 60fps titles that look better than Nioh on this generation of systems and I've praised the heck out of them.
Sekiro isn't designed to target 30fps either, unfortunately.
Fire Emblem Warriors also has that option and i wouldn't be surprised if we find it on Ultimate Alliance 3 as well.
I think it's now a standard on all Team Ninja games.
Impressive 60fps performance for Alpha. Hopefully they can improve the Movie Mode to lock down that 30fps framerate.
Can't think of any third person action adventure 60fps current gen game on Base consoles that has as stable 60fps framerate as Nioh and looks better and does as much
Nier Automata definitely not, only MGSV and DMCV that's it maybe one more that's definitely not plenty, both also made different sort of compromises still in different ways to achieve 60fps target and not exactly same type of game
As for Sekiro obviously they aren't trying to aim for stable 60fps on this game or hardly even reach that number and stay there at all even on the stronger consoles Pro, X. Their target is around 30fps on Base consoles yet still not stable
The original Nioh is one of the most ugly PS4 games around... but the gameplay was magnificent.
And it sticks much closer to the Souls template which is why I prefer it to Sekiro.
And it sticks much closer to the Souls template which is why I prefer it to Sekiro.