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Should you wait for next-gen to play Watch Dogs: Legion?
UPDATE: While our initial focus was on the current-gen console versions of Watch Dogs: Legion, we've also spent time lo…
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Digital Foundry: Watch Dogs Legion: PS4/ Pro/ Xbox One/ One X Tested - Should You Wait For Next-Gen?
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Honestly at this point for me, unless it's a game like Tsushima I wanted ASAP I will wait to play them on PS5, upgrade or not it'll always be better than Base PS4
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TL;DW
Visuals:
- All consoles have Temporal up-scaling and dynamic resolution scaling. .
- Base XBO has the worst image quality and most image breakup.
- Best image quality: XBX with Pro a close second.
- Base XBO: 900p to 684p
- XBX: 2016p to 1440p.
- Base PS4: 1080p to 864p
- Pro: 1620p to 1296p
- SSR quality and texture filtering lower on base consoles.
- Otherwise the physics, NPC count etc all appear same between all consoles.
Performance:
- Base XBO has near consistent drops to mid to low 20's and tearing during driving and combat.
- Base PS4 is a 'big improvement' but w/ adaptive screen tear and mild 1 to 2 FPS drops.
- XBX is mostly consistent with barely some drops to mid 20's when causing commotion.
- PS4 Pro has the fewest drops and the least tearing and best playing version.
Visuals:
- All consoles have Temporal up-scaling and dynamic resolution scaling. .
- Base XBO has the worst image quality and most image breakup.
- Best image quality: XBX with Pro a close second.
- Base XBO: 900p to 684p
- XBX: 2016p to 1440p.
- Base PS4: 1080p to 864p
- Pro: 1620p to 1296p
- SSR quality and texture filtering lower on base consoles.
- Otherwise the physics, NPC count etc all appear same between all consoles.
Performance:
- Base XBO has near consistent drops to mid to low 20's and tearing during driving and combat.
- Base PS4 is a 'big improvement' but w/ adaptive screen tear and mild 1 to 2 FPS drops.
- XBX is mostly consistent with barely some drops to mid 20's when causing commotion.
- PS4 Pro has the fewest drops and the least tearing and best playing version.
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This game is not made for current gen and it seems especially the current gen Xbox versions need patches.
Seems like on current gen consoles PS4 Pro is the way to go. I will never understand prioritizing resolution over performance.
Been playing it on PC and gotta admit, the game has a jaw dropping amount of density in terms of geometry and stuff happening onscreen at any given moment.
That said if the jaguar CPU in Pro is able to run it at 30FPS then more powerful (even if dated) CPUs like 6700K or newer CPUs like 3800x should be able to do it twice as fast. But they can't, probably cause the game isn't optimised to run over 30FPS. Then again even hitting 30FPS is kind of hard at times on my 6700K...which doesn't make sense.
That said if the jaguar CPU in Pro is able to run it at 30FPS then more powerful (even if dated) CPUs like 6700K or newer CPUs like 3800x should be able to do it twice as fast. But they can't, probably cause the game isn't optimised to run over 30FPS. Then again even hitting 30FPS is kind of hard at times on my 6700K...which doesn't make sense.
To be honest, I was turned off by the amount of loading screens and the loading times on my PS4 Pro for WD Legion. I'll just wait for the PS5 to arrive and give it another try then. Performance and Image Quality was "ok", but not great so far, but it's the loading which was annoying. Maybe it gets better once you are out of the initial mission(s), but those throw a loading screen (with often 30+ seconds) at you every couple of moments, which was annoying as hell (for me). Also the initial mission, giving you audio logs every 10 meters, switching to menu when picked up and you can't even listen to them while walking around but you have to look at that boring menu and wait for the log to finish playing? Am I the only one who was annoyed by that and thought it was just very bad game design?
I'm playing this on a One X at the moment and it's the first game I've played this year that really feels like those late 2013 PS3/360 ports. It looks nice on a One X but you REALLY feel that it's just pushing above it's weight and should be played on a next gen system. Haven't really felt that with anything else up to this point, it's interesting to see it.
DF suggested it's possible PS4 Pro version received the most optimization out of the 4 at least at launch. Updates and patches to fix bugs and performance may even things up in performance in the future.
Although by that time, I'd hopefully have a next gen console and won't have to worry about it. LOL
The market is evolving, these people chose to be left behind.Base consoles for the next couple years:
Performance seems about what I'd expected based on the coverage over the last couple of days. I've pretty much stopped playing everything while I wait for the Series X and PS5. I don't want to get into anything until I can play them at their best with the new consoles.
Well that is depressing. It keeps crashing for me and I'm playing on a PS4 Pro.
Yeeup, I'm waiting for PS5 and XSX to play new games and old current gen games.
Still surprised that the Pro at times performs like this. I havent been keeping up with DF threads lately. Is there a reason why? Nevermind, this might be why:
Makes sense.
Yeah, sorry but its time. Both companies offer a cheaper sku so....
Christ, its gonna get worse n worse for Base XBO...
Still surprised that the Pro at times performs like this. I havent been keeping up with DF threads lately. Is there a reason why? Nevermind, this might be why:
Makes sense.
Yeah, sorry but its time. Both companies offer a cheaper sku so....
Low-key curious to try the base Xbox One version. Trying out bad performing cross generation games for last gen systems used to be my guilty pleasure, heheheh.
*Shadow of Mordor for PS3 is calling my name, still...
*Shadow of Mordor for PS3 is calling my name, still...
Damn, I think next gen versions are hopefully the most optimized and best way to play on console.
Yet with my series x launch console paid off trying to be patient....
But with watch dogs preordered digitally I played 6 hours of this on base Xbox one and had a blast since yesterday. It's been scaled back in geometry, resolution, effects and I'm sure looking forward to my series x arriving.. but it's nowhere near the monstrosity of immortals Fenix rising on switch they showed this week
This game is solid 8 for me still, living in London the past 20 years I'm loving the game itself
Load times and next gen upgrades have me excited
Not sure if I just expected more Jank and so was pleasantly surprised by the base Xbox one performance or if YouTube is making it look worse
10 more days...
But with watch dogs preordered digitally I played 6 hours of this on base Xbox one and had a blast since yesterday. It's been scaled back in geometry, resolution, effects and I'm sure looking forward to my series x arriving.. but it's nowhere near the monstrosity of immortals Fenix rising on switch they showed this week
This game is solid 8 for me still, living in London the past 20 years I'm loving the game itself
Load times and next gen upgrades have me excited
Not sure if I just expected more Jank and so was pleasantly surprised by the base Xbox one performance or if YouTube is making it look worse
10 more days...
Who would have thought that you probably should have gone with the PS4 Pro version for the framerate? Lol
It'll never happen, but Sony and MS should allow developers to drop base PS4 and Xbox One/S support and make Pro and One X the new baseline. It'd make developers lives much easier to be able to leave those platforms behind. Sure you're still working with Jaguar CPUs, but at least they're clocked a lot higher. On the Xbox side, working with that eSRAM for the XB1/S must be a technical nightmare at this point.
The natural progression is current gen platforms will slowly stop receiving newer games as next gen progresses, except for the usual service F2P games and yearly sports and releases.
Of course, but look at games at the moment - CDPR are citing last-gen consoles as being the major hurdle in getting Cyperpunk out, and I wager that's moreso base XB1/S and PS4. Imagine they didn't have to support those anymore?
MS really shit the bed with the Xbox One.
I wonder what percentage of their user base still plays there compared to the X.
I wonder what percentage of their user base still plays there compared to the X.
Base Xbox One and PS4 need to be put to rest.
On MS case, they should have discontinued Xbox One and kept Xbox One X instead. Sony as well kept Pro only.
RIP anyone on current gen for the foreseeable future unless you getting 1st party content. At least on PS4, I expect Spiderman MM to be good and also Horizon 2. The framework from the earlier versions is there so its expected to be similar performance.
On MS case, they should have discontinued Xbox One and kept Xbox One X instead. Sony as well kept Pro only.
RIP anyone on current gen for the foreseeable future unless you getting 1st party content. At least on PS4, I expect Spiderman MM to be good and also Horizon 2. The framework from the earlier versions is there so its expected to be similar performance.
Its just publishers trying to get what they can from current gen before they move on as majority of the sales i'll bet will be on current gen that is why they are offering a lot of their games as free upgrade to next gen. You can buy it now and play it on better hardware when you decide to switch. Vs if they only made the game for next gen only. I think at this point, it is a better strategy compared to how this gen started. I do agree though, they should let the base consoles die quicker.
Yeah....ppl keep talking about tf but this was probably the biggest issue.
I still see ppl with the OG XBO.....whew....
