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Disco Elysium Developers Shout Out Marx And Engels In Game Awards Victory Speech
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Interview with developer (from 2017)
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-07-20-making-games-under-threat-of-nuclear-war
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-07-20-making-games-under-threat-of-nuclear-war
This first bit I really don't get. Like, how can you look at that ideology and not just say it should've fucked-off into space? Unless it is an attempt at humor, in which case my sense of humor just does not work well around that topic.
And I do somewhat disagree with the second part. Marxist ideas don't presuppose communism; you can lend from the work without devolving into full-blown communism, as many contemporary social democracies have.
The simple answer being that I agree with it. No attempt at humour here, but I didn't come into to this thread to seriously discuss this. Too early in the morning for that.
And I disagree on the second, marxist theory cannot be wholly separated from communism.
It's a stupid comparision, but if you can "lend from the work without praising communism", can we then also "lend from the works and ideas" of some facists? I wonder. And I'm asking this while being leftist and agreeing with some of Marx and Engels ideas, even though communism basically destroyed my country so much we still are trying to make up for these lost years. Like, there wouldn't be a communism without the revolution inspired by Marx.
goddamn is this interview terrible
this genuinely made me like the devs a whole lot less.
The revolution that happened 30 years after his death?
If it weren't for capitalism there wouldn't be any communism either. Might as well blame every communist crime as capitalist
I agree on the second part. Marxist theory cannot be separated from communism. But what I intended and perhaps wasn't clear in expressing is that communism can be separated from Marxist theory — in the sense that it doesn't necessarily need to be the conclusion of that chain of thought.
I don't think there is anything really redeemable about fascism. Marxist ideas are not nearly as uniformly dehumanizing or rooted in the oppression of other people for the sake of one's own. The perversions that were Leninism and its lineage also damaged my country and killed or oppressed most of my ancestors, but I view them as what they are: failed instruments of a corrupt dictatorship.
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You're confusing Marxism with stalinism... ones a broad economic theory that birthed communism and democratic socialism the other was a form of dictatorship.. go check wikipedia if you're not sure which is which
Consider me the 1% then lol.. humans need looking after otherwise we always let psychos take charge.
And the only way that happens is if the machine who runs the world is built by generations of other machines and, oops, all Matrix lol
You'd have to name specific ideas and discuss them individually (not the place to do that).
I personally think fascism is bereft of what I would consider 'good' ideas (or ideas at all, given it's essentially chameleon-like nature) and likely won't survive the rigorous critical thinking we would need to apply to them to ensure they were of benefit.
I'm a woolly, old leftie through and through, but a 'good' idea - something that positively benefits society and doesn't begat 'bad' ideas that persecute others in the process - is a 'good' idea, surely?
As far as I can tell, fascism is founded on persecution/othering, so I don't see how any of its principles can meet that criteria.
...you can't just post this as if it means something other people are going to understand.
It's interesting that most AI sci fi is dystopian "deciding our fate in a nano second" lol .. for me some sort of utilitarian society would be the most logical so would be how a computer would choose to rule us.
Check out Iain m Banks' Culture novels for my kinda autocracy :D
Oh my, haha.
People should really read this.
What now?
So fwiw I'm like 90% sure it means "they like a certain podcast" but.
Like I said, you can't just say it that way as if anyone else is going to understand...
Lol. That's good shit.
With that kind of hyperbole; I wonder what their user names are on era.
Just like they are fans of Chapo Trap House they're also fans of Cum Town.
Dick Mullen from Disco Elysium is a reference to Nick Mullen from Cum Town.
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Ok, thanks. You say this like that is a very well known thing, though lol
"Cum boys", sure, of course!
You would put Neitzche as influencing Hitler greatly, basically justified Nazism on the back of his writings. but you don't get such a knee jerk reaction if someone shouted out Neitzche for inspiring their video game, or maybe you would?
As for Marx, the dude wrote what he thought was a good thesis for the dramatic changes throughout history, his theories were based around historic revolutions, and that those revolutions happened because material relations and class conflict. It's not like he invented revolution. Marx didn't even invent the word "communism" it was used before him. What he did add was the phrase "the spectre of communism" where, to paraphrase, he said "the powers that be are shitting it because there's a way of material/social production that doesn't involve them exploiting others and getting rich. A spectre."
And finally add that a lot of art and creative work is inspired by Marx's theories. The Venice Bienalle, world's largest contemporary art event, in 2013 had actors reading "Das Kapital" in the main hall within the Giardini, among other work talking about Marx. Any time I go to an art gallery there is work by someone living or dead that describes Marx's influence. Most people stand around stroking their chins and pondering what it all means, it's really an internet phenomena to hyperbole that any mention of Marx means that person wants to starve a nation.
Anyway, I'm ducking out but I would recommend you look up art work, films, books that are influenced by Marx theories, or by people who self-describe as marxist... not many video games are. The "situationists international" are very interesting.
Very, and also more relevant today than ever. Check out their manifesto.
Will this run okay on a i5-6400? Its slightly below the minimum specs but framerate is more or less unimportant here right? Cause i'd be totally in if it wasn't for my weak rig.
Gross.
I'm going to avoid this game now, and will instead buy extra copies of the movie Wall Street. The greatest film of all time, at least up until that villain Charlie Sheen ruins everything.
I'm going to avoid this game now, and will instead buy extra copies of the movie Wall Street. The greatest film of all time, at least up until that villain Charlie Sheen ruins everything.
I don't think there's very much that would be lost if it does chug for you.
Only reason it requires any power is it's a Unity engine game, so if you've ever played a Unity engine game on that machine you probably know what to expect.
But it doesn't matter if he wrote anything about specific instructions; he gave ideas, which are ostensibly translatable into practical society by definition, and I'm trying to ascertain more specifics about it because theory, by itself, is meaningless. As I've understood, there is no country which has followed his ideals in their purest forms, and I'm trying to learn what that would be.
For instance, is "All companies are publicly and equally owned by the general population" a fundamental component of the sort of society which is closest to the truest concept of communism. Yes or no doesn't matter, the fact is it's an answerable question, even if it's "more this than that". Even if he isn't given a blueprint, per se, he has comments on society, right? Comments which, when extrapolated, point towards a different form of economics than capitalism? I've heard that sort of sentiment echoed for years, and haven't been able to ascertain much more than it as a sentiment, but it's not a sentiment borne out of nothing in the context of his writing.
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according to that interview, Disco Elysium doesn't make a political statement
and I'm now beginning to think that apoliticalness is, in fact, a spectrum that looks something like this
Ubisoft - - - Chris Avellone - - - Disco Elysium devs
Yeah no problem the cpu requirements are completely exaggerated for some reason, this runs 60fps+ even on pre Haswell I5s (and very likely I3s but i didn't test that).
I already told you the ideas like free education and no child labor, that's the actual policies/ideas he had .
Once again you think Karl Marx wrote something else then what he actually wrote. Karl Marx wrote that capitalism would eventually lead to classless/stateless society based off fundamental things about capitalism that would lead to people adopting more classless/stateless policies over time. Karl Marx was describing what he thought capitalism would become over time, not what laws/things society should implement
I dont think DR makes any specific political statements. The corps and Union are both depicted as corrupt and rotten to the core while encountered NPCs vary from communist larping revolutionaries to race realist nazis. All the while the main character can play anything in-between, so the political statements are really dependant on your own choices and decisions.
Disco Elysium doesn't really take a side. In game it clearly criticizes the fascists, neoliberals and communists for taking advantage of the poor and downtrodden.
Why?
I mean, the game doesn't really make a political statement.
That doesn't mean it's apolitical. At all.
