You can afford to boast war-like rhetoric if you're a multi-billion dollar company.
Disney CEO Bob Iger planning to meet with Martin Scorsese over Marvel comments
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Boy I sure hope you've got some big financial investment into Disney, otherwise I don't know what to tell you...
Edit: sorry for dp
Did Iger claim with a (presumably) straight face that Marvel films are art?
Hahahaha. I like Marvel films but come the fuck on.
Hahahaha. I like Marvel films but come the fuck on.
I think this is a good move by Iger. Scorsese is certainly entitled to his opinion on cinema as he is an industry legend but a level of professionalism and respect towards your colleagues should always be maintained.
The fuck lol, “he’s entitled to his opinion” but still not good enough that you have to have a discussion on why he’s wrong and how he can change his mind
lol
What does this even mean? Nobody can have an opinion? Scorsese didn’t insult the MCU or the cast and crew.
That's not what I said though?Why do you assume that the talk would be about why he's wrong?
Guys he's entitled to his opinion, but only if it's positive.
It means that while you may not like a film or a series of films, proclaiming to a bunch of film makers that their work isn't real cinema is undoubtedly insulting. I very much doubt that anyone at Disney would have an issue with Scorsese simply not liking their films.
Edit: I apologize for the double post.
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You mean like how Disney demanded movie theaters show their films on more screens, pushing smaller films out of theaters sooner or completely? That kind of respect to industry colleagues?
I think the people making Marvel movies are working hard enough on them to have earned respect.
I have no interest in defending the corporate entity of Disney, feel free to shit on them as much as you want because they fully deserve it. What I am interested in are the movies produced by a lot of very talented people at Marvel Studios. Those people deserve recognition for their hard work and the respect of their peers.
Are you familiar with personal definitions? “Cinema” in certain circles are separated from popcorn flicks. Especially in NYC. And it’s been a thing for over half a century. It’s just a term that differentiates itself from other movies. And there is room for both, however companies like Disney push one out in favor of another. How is that okay?
And this is why I keep saying people need to read what Martin is actually saying because this isn’t and shouldn’t be a discussion about semantics and “cinema”. And if you read his op-Ed, he praised the talents behind these films.
I suggest rereading what Martin is saying. Because your interpretation is objectively incorrect.
I already know how this is going to play out.
Marty is gonna rumble on down to the House of Mouse. He’s gonna have rehearsed his argument numerous times in front of his mirror at home a la “You talkin to me?”. As soon as the door opens he’s going to unleash a tirade of vitriol.
BUT
He ends up catching in the corner of his eye another man sitting beside Iger. Marty just stops talking; slack jawed. Iger speaks for the first time.
“That’s right Marty. We aren’t playing around. We’ve brought in the best. MCU is now legitimized. It is going to be grade A cinema.”
Marty is just shocked. He nervously looks around but he knows he’s beat. He scampers away like the filthy boomer he is.
That man beside Iger? Rian fucking Johnson. The best director this world has ever seen. Rian Johnson is taking the MCU to the next level. It will be up for every major category at the oscars.
Marty is gonna rumble on down to the House of Mouse. He’s gonna have rehearsed his argument numerous times in front of his mirror at home a la “You talkin to me?”. As soon as the door opens he’s going to unleash a tirade of vitriol.
BUT
He ends up catching in the corner of his eye another man sitting beside Iger. Marty just stops talking; slack jawed. Iger speaks for the first time.
“That’s right Marty. We aren’t playing around. We’ve brought in the best. MCU is now legitimized. It is going to be grade A cinema.”
Marty is just shocked. He nervously looks around but he knows he’s beat. He scampers away like the filthy boomer he is.
That man beside Iger? Rian fucking Johnson. The best director this world has ever seen. Rian Johnson is taking the MCU to the next level. It will be up for every major category at the oscars.
People work hard on all kinds of shit, not really seeing why they deserve respect for it.
People in those circles are free to continue defining any movies they want as anything they want. The rest of the world acknowledges cinema as the art of motion pictures. So when someone makes a public comment, that comment is being judged using the generally accepted definitions and not those used by specific circles.
I can't help you there.
Man can’t just let go of an offhanded comment. This is so dumb.
Oh c'mon. He gave a clear and concise statement. Explained it pretty well but you have nothing of substance to refute with except "the people who worked on these films deserve respect". That's not a retort. It doesn't address his criticisms. It totally ignores the respect he's given to them. And it ignores every other cast and crew that worked on films that people truly shat on.
Your post means nothing.
Prove me wrong.
Clown shoes.
He used the academically recognized interpretation of cinema, let alone the interpretation informed by French film critics who helped build the foundation and grammar of even discussing film as art in the first place.
What do you all expect Iger to do here? Walk into Scorsese’s office, make vague threats, and knock over his oscars while saying “Oops”?
His statement was indeed very clear. He said that he doesn't consider Marvel films cinema. He is being criticized based on that. Had he omitted that part and just criticized the movies based on his own opinion and preferences I would be perfectly fine with that.
Which is?
I mean this thread is really weird. If they actually end up meeting, it'll probably be just to talk like two normal people. There's nothing outlandish about Iger, one of the most successful media executives, meeting Scorcese, one of the most respected names in film, to talk about the business of film. Whether it has any effect on the way Disney does things remains to be seen (doubtful) but like everything in this entire saga it's been blown completely out of proportion.
For not accepting valid criticism of the questionable output of a multi-billion dollar behemoth (that the poster likely has no stake in btw) from an acclaimed film director.
Scorsese's comments contain both valid and non valid criticism. The valid part is his personal opinion on Marvel films and what they do well or badly according to his own tastes and knowledge on the matter. The non valid part is his dismissal of these movies as not cinema.
Interesting. Never mind the fact it's a Wikipedia article citing one second-hand source for the definition part. So according to this, you have the term film, which is different from cinema, which either means filmmaking, the film industry, the resulting art form, or all of it.
There is no clear definition of cinema.
He wouldn't dare! I got papers on Walt Disney they don't even know I know!