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Disney, Nestle, Epic Games pull ads from YouTube after reports of site facilitating child sex ring

just a slowpoke

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Somnid said:
I still don't see why we really need to care about people's invented careers. "All the youtubers won't be able to support themselves youtubing!" ok, so what? What's even sillier is the whole using people's aspirations of a career to hold them hostage. This whole thing is manufactured, it only came into being about a decade ago and just because something has some value doesn't mean it justifies its existence.
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sorry, maybe if a majority of the world had a robust social safety net this would be a reasonable proposition, but it really isn't in a world where your basic survival needs are tied to your job and we allege that hard work, not random chance outside of your control, decide your worth

YouTube creators having their livelihood decimated because YouTube failed to uphold their responsibilities as a platform exposes a lot of flaws in capitalism - there was nothing creators could do to have an influence over this, no matter how hard they worked
 
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Mjester

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Something something baby and the bathwater.

Fuck that baby anyway, it's not my baby, I don't even use that baby, fuck other people's hobbies and creative outlet, burn it to the ground, my alarmist heart need warmth by burning things to the ground.

I heard kiddie porn used to come in the form of printed media, good thing print is dead.
 
Mr. X

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This comment idea is a dumb bandaid but whatever, what are they doing about the algorithm and recommendations enabling it in the first place?
 
just a slowpoke

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as long as meeting one's basic survival needs is attached to one's job, people aren't going to acquiesce their livelihood for the greater good - even if they are fine telling others to

they were fed the lies of a "meritocracy" wherein a person is in control of their own fate as long as they work hard enough - but as we all see, the actions of people entirely unconnected from your own sphere of influence can eliminate all of your hard work in a snap

until we separate the self-actualization that jobs provide from the meeting of sustenance needs they provide, this will continue to happen

the company tells its workers they must drive up The Metrics at all costs, and the worker knows that cost is going hungry - so they'll turn a blind eye to the horrors they enable so that they can survive another day

this pattern of incentives is what is tearing apart society as we watch ourselves go through motions that we know are unsustainable
 
Brawly Likes to Brawl

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Sianos said:
as long as meeting one's basic survival needs is attached to one's job, people aren't going to acquiesce their livelihood for the greater good - even if they are fine telling others to

they were fed the lies of a "meritocracy" wherein a person is in control of their own fate as long as they work hard enough - but as we all see, the actions of people entirely unconnected from your own sphere of influence can eliminate all of your hard work in a snap

until we separate the self-actualization that jobs provide from the meeting of sustenance needs they provide, this will continue to happen

the company tells its workers they must drive up The Metrics at all costs, and the worker knows that cost is going hungry - so they'll turn a blind eye to the horrors they enable so that they can survive another day

this pattern of incentives is what is tearing apart society as we watch ourselves go through motions that we know are unsustainable
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damn good post
 

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Official update from YouTube:

https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/1805616?msgid=1805616

Key points:
Disabling comments
We've disabled comments on tens of millions of videos that may include minors and therefore are at risk of predatory comments. As part of these actions, comments may be temporarily disabled on some or all of your videos.

  • We know comments are a key way creators connect with their community, but this was an important step for the safety of minors on YouTube and a precaution while we work to further improve our systems. We're investing more in the tools we have to detect and remove this content.
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Limited Monetization
Videos that include minors and are at risk of predatory comments may receive limited or no ads (yellow icon). If you think we made a mistake please appeal. We'll continue to refine our approach in the coming weeks and months.

Additionally, if you see any type of content (videos, comments, etc.) that you think exploits minors, please flag it for review and select "child abuse" in the reporting tool. No form of content that endangers minors is acceptable to us.
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So basically until they've worked out how to better identify and remove offending kid-related content, comments will be disabled on videos with children (addresses the issue of pedos sharing time codes and horrid comments), and videos featuring children will have limited monetization (addresses the issue of exploitative videos of kids). And if you're a YouTuber you can appeal specific videos that have had limited monetization. And all of this will be in place until they've improved their system.
 

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Mjester said:
Something something baby and the bathwater.

Fuck that baby anyway, it's not my baby, I don't even use that baby, fuck other people's hobbies and creative outlet, burn it to the ground, my alarmist heart need warmth by burning things to the ground.

I heard kiddie porn used to come in the form of printed media, good thing print is dead.
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Or that Youtube has been cultivating a terrible toxic anti intellctual fanbase for years and a new video player can pop up.
 

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TreadTalks said:
comments will be disabled on videos with children (addresses the issue of pedos sharing time codes and horrid comments), and videos featuring children will have limited monetization (addresses the issue of exploitative videos of kids)
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Probably about the only feasible options this side of completely doing away with the idea of ad-powered, commercial internet services.

There is one other action that they should take, of course, which is for videos that would have these sorts of problems they can also change the recommended / next-watch videos to be trending or other popular stuff instead of stuff related in terms of, uh, content
 
CaptainBojangles

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- Disable comments (Recommend creation of Discords for content creators and/or create some sort of suggestion/correction box for creators based on individual videos with a report function for inappropriate comments; I fail to see the point of comments beyond communicating with the creator themselves, and Discord/Reddit presents an avenue for that already)

- Remove video recommendations (Allow creators to promote other creators/videos after their videos have finished. Eliminates the frankly terrible algorithm YouTube has created. If the fear is videos being burried, create teams to curate content to the front page beyond trending videos)

- Increase moderation, particularly of videos featuring minors (You can't tell me Google can't afford to employ more people to closely monitor this situation. Don't allow these videos to be added to playlists, and don't just limit monetization of exploitative videos, just remove them or force them to be listed as private)

YouTube has been pathetically ran for a long time, and there's probably a million other changes that need to be made at a bare minimum to stop this, and the dozens of other problems YouTube has.

It has been clear that a not garbage video platform has been needed for a long time. It's unfortunate for all the people who are creating videos right now, but another adpocalypse might be what we need to rethink YouTube's entire set-up because it's clearly not working
 
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As the main thread about this subject has been locked. I'll post this here.

This is an excellent podcast episode. About this whole subject. Please, please listen to it.
 
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