It was mentioned in the original locked thread from a few nights back, they also altered tweet dates to appear recent, and supposedly there are even completely fake tweets floating around out there.
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Disney severs ties with James Gunn after controversial tweets
- Thread starter Sibersk Esto
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They were also touting it as proof that Gunn was a pedophile and while people may not like the tweets they sure as shit don't prove anything about him being a pedophile.
Exposing this type of shit is a lot more important than a thread full of people defending him over what he actually did.
Oh absolutely...
Half they're game was to push him to delete tweets, and he ended up deleting 10k of them the other day, so now they can draw attention to it, make it look extra shady, then release altered and fake tweets so nobody can easily check it against the original tweets.
You know, I've been in 'that other site' and then ERA for long, I know how a discussion goes, I've been in both fronts.
And people should have known that all this outrage and incrimination we do would bite us on our asses and take down someone who is one of our own. We go, never read the article of something, or even investigate the context and we do a hot-take. Sometimes ERA is right, the guy was a real piece of shit, but many times ERA has been wrong and we never hear apologies or anything.
Now the same outrage we use is against us, because we abused from it, and it's not only ERA, it's Twitter, Facebook, whatever. We let this happen because we abused that entitlement we had because 'guy makes x comment' without ANY CONTEXT years ago and he's a bad guy, even if that person apologized tons of times and he became a great person and an ally.
This is a lesson: Don't think you have 100% of the moral ground, hell I make the same sin of being 'holier than thou' with some guys, be in doubt, investigate, learn contexts of situations. Then give an informed post. Not a "WOW, I'M NEVER WATCHING HIS MOVIES AGAIN."
This time you, the ones defending Disney's firing, bashing him without getting informed, were wrong, and I'll stand firm on that.
And people should have known that all this outrage and incrimination we do would bite us on our asses and take down someone who is one of our own. We go, never read the article of something, or even investigate the context and we do a hot-take. Sometimes ERA is right, the guy was a real piece of shit, but many times ERA has been wrong and we never hear apologies or anything.
Now the same outrage we use is against us, because we abused from it, and it's not only ERA, it's Twitter, Facebook, whatever. We let this happen because we abused that entitlement we had because 'guy makes x comment' without ANY CONTEXT years ago and he's a bad guy, even if that person apologized tons of times and he became a great person and an ally.
This is a lesson: Don't think you have 100% of the moral ground, hell I make the same sin of being 'holier than thou' with some guys, be in doubt, investigate, learn contexts of situations. Then give an informed post. Not a "WOW, I'M NEVER WATCHING HIS MOVIES AGAIN."
This time you, the ones defending Disney's firing, bashing him without getting informed, were wrong, and I'll stand firm on that.
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Bautista is still defending Gunn on Twitter, gotta respect his loyalty to his friend.
https://twitter.com/DaveBautista/status/1021123102082707456
https://twitter.com/DaveBautista/status/1021123102082707456
are you claiming this isn't what happened, because this is literally what happened
Awesome post especially the part about aiming the backlash at Cernovich/the Alt-Right instead of wasting time talking about Disney and signing pointless petitions that will achieve nothing.
Have you seen me claim other wise.. go look for an argument somewhere else mate
Even Batista gets it. The problem isn't Gunn got fired the problem is the dudes that caused the storm. Dudes shouting down people with different opinions for whatever reason are concentrating on the wrong people
I can still remember all the hate and abuse that one scientist got for wearing a tacky sexy women shirt his female friend designed to a televised announcement. This kind of reversal of fortunes has been building up years now and it's entirely self-inflicted.
I don't get offended by any jokes and nothing is off-limits in comedy.
But Disney will never touch him again and shouldn't. It's obviously the right choice for them.
But Disney will never touch him again and shouldn't. It's obviously the right choice for them.
Great post. Digging up old shit and pretending the person is the exact same as they were all those years ago just because it makes you feel better about yourself is not novel behavior. The Affleck shit comes to mind. What the fuck was that trash. That type of behavior has fomented an environment where people feel exceedingly comfortable to participate in nuance free discussions. Hopefully people use this as a learning experience to reflect on how they engage with people online, especially when it concerns giving fellow human beings the benefit of the doubt instead of immediately portraying them as irredeemable trash for internet points. Part of me says that's asking too much though. Hopefully not. Gunn will be just fine no matter what. And I don't really have a horse in the race because I don't really fuck with superhero movies like that. He's handled the situation with absolute class as far as I'm concerned, which is much more than Cernovich deserves.
It's not like he made them billions and they are squeeky clean
Disney shouldn't ever touch RDJ again for his alcoholism/drug addiction right
No of course. Disney work with a lot of shitty people.
But if you make paedo jokes and it causes a stir, there's no other choice for them.
So should they not have hired Sarah Silverman for the Wreck-It Ralph movies?
It's a shame Depp beating his wife wasn't news worthy.
It is. Just not 100 million dollars newsworthy, apparently.
Hypocrisy arguments are a good way to say "gotcha!" to Disney but they don't care. The only consistency they care about is no outrage at them. Things only become an issue when it's trending.
Going "he's a white male, he'll be fine" is pretty damn naive. Do you honestly think they won't use these tactics on women, lgbt, and poc? Because they just proved that they can take down a major director with this.
If you think about it, him being a white male actually makes it worse. They took down someone with the biggest privilege, someone who's one of the biggest cash cows for Disney. Now imagine how empored they feel over Women and PoC. This is gonna be nasty.
And if you think they need real evidence, you're in for a rude awakening.
You guys haven't paid much attention to history if you think this is new or the fault of the left (or any one side of the political spectrum, for that matter). There was no buildup. What Cernovich did is the exact same thing that GamerGate did and has continued to do to numerous people ever since it was given a name 4 years ago. Before GamerGate, Gawker liked to dig shit up. Before Gawker, it was politicians and yellow journalists, all the way back to Washington's time.
Self-flagellation within the left is what the alt-right wants to see. Too bad it seems to be working.
I actually had no prior knowledge of the Jessica Price situation. I just read about it, and I disagree with their removal from the company. I also disagree with Jessica's behavior towards that guy on twitter. Everything she said was TRUE, but its all about how you present your concerns in a disscussion. She took what he said to heart and lashed out, BUT there's concrete reason as to "why" she was so aggressive. Sexism is real.
Anyways, the James Gunn tweets were bad. Like real bad. Yet I wouldn't want to have my 9 year old actions plastered on my forehead. The question is, am I a better person from then? Has my humor, world view changed? Stuff like that.
Well, don't forget what site you're on. ERA has long been about the left raging at the left because there's no one else here.
Yep
It's pretty funny to see people get preachy about respecting other people's "opinions" when followed up with "fuck that rich white dude." The same people who went after Gunn also go after not rich not white not dudes and will continue to do so with even more vigor now that they have the co-sign of the superwoke
This has literally already been happening, spearheaded by the exact same people, for years now, so it's very interesting to see all the people going "Woah... if they can hurt a white guy, think about what that means they can do to women and people of color."
I'm not 100% sure how I feel about all this but I'm ten billion% certain that Cernovich and the overall alt-right do not give a single fuck about children, pedophilia, bad taste jokes, etc., and they will defend this sort of shit and ten times worse in the name of free speech when it comes from one of their own cretins.
Of course. They've done it in the past. They revel in disinformation, lies, and mental gymnastics of all kinds.
"This has already been happening" - Bullshit, they haven't taken anyone of this calibre down before. They failed against every target with Gamergate and other hate campaigns.
No they haven't. They just got a prominent and outspoken woman writer fired from GW2. Capitalizing on one slip up. They don't all have to be big targets. The smaller ones are more important anyway, because they'll slip through the cracks.
I've not seen anything about that GW2 case, so I can't exactly say much about it, but from what I understand this is just as recent as Gunn.
You're acting like this hasn't been on going for years. It ain't new for women, lgbtq, and poc. But some people finally seem to pay attention now that it's reached this point.
Yup.
Interesting how? What are you saying? I'm not so naive to think they haven't been doing this for years, but such a high profile victory emboldening them is in no way a good thing. I'm fully aware that white men are still less likely to be targeted by this kind of harassment, but emboldening these people to such a significant degree is going to have nothing but bad results across the board, and more disadvantaged people are now even less safe. Writing off them going after people who are privileged because they have a windfall misses the point on account that going after high powered targets increases their influence.
It's not a matter of "not even the poor white people are safe", it's more that handing these people major victories is categorically a bad thing on top of the simple morality that this shouldn't be allowed to happen to anyone.
While it's true that Gunn is the alt-right's biggest takedown, you're completely wrong on the bolded. GamerGate got a Nintendo employee fired in part by using accusations of pedophilia.
Selma Blair Calls On Disney's Marvel To Rehire James Gunn: "This Man Is One Of The Good Ones"
https://deadline.com/2018/07/james-...ans-of-the-galaxy-director-rehire-1202431478/
https://deadline.com/2018/07/james-...ans-of-the-galaxy-director-rehire-1202431478/
Oh man, I forgot about that. She was one of their major Treehouse people, right?
This is a bad thing though, yeah? It's a good example of it, but it's still wrong.
She was fired for moonlighting. I'm not sure anyone online actually knows how Nintendo found out about it.