Disney severs ties with James Gunn after controversial tweets

Arta

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Going "he's a white male, he'll be fine" is pretty damn naive. Do you honestly think they won't use these tactics on women, lgbt, and poc? Because they just proved that they can take down a major director with this.
Seriously? Dude we always get the tactics lobbed at us, even those of us who are shot dead by police and get their entire history dragged out to certify that we deserved it.
 

DigitalOp

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Yeah, I totally agree. Wouldn't it make sense then to be outspoken about the fact that it was unfair for Gunn to be fired then, even if it likely will never happen? I'm trying to understand why you think this was a waste of time. Is it just frustrating that this many people didn't care until it happened to a white dude who made a Marvel movie? Or like you said, they're spending time focusing on Gunn rather than the larger problem?

I just don't see how just moving on because it wasn't entirely fabricated is better than doing nothing at all.
I was criticizing the misplaced anger, which was being channeled against people who didn't fit the general opinion being reported. Those people aren't the enemy. Right now the Nazis are using social outrage tactics and they can be beaten the same way.

Why is this mini culture war being waged through celebrity employment?

Attack these clowns head up.

Why isn't there a ScumbagCernovich.com?

ScumbagPeterson.com?

ScumbagSharpio.com?

Why aren't we documenting ever shitty thing these guys put in the air into a nice neat digesable and accessible content space? It would make them 1000% easier to discredit. Easier to show people that these guys aren't worth listening to.

We need to mobilize the same exact way like these guys do, but we lack initiative. Imagine if that petition was focused on @Jack(Scumbag) taking notice of the filth Cernovich puts on Twitter.

Cite the damn Twitter TOS with every post that breaks it. Get aggressive.


You left out the part where you asserted that only white Gunn fanboys care and are being too loud.

Am I white now?

There’s an important difference between acknowledging that it’s unfortunate that past actions can sink you even if you’ve improved and “oh well, he deserved it and he’ll be fine.”

You seem to be swinging back and forth between those positions depending on who you’re responding to.
Not at all swinging. Like I've told everyone, I'm seeing the entire context here. And that context includes those who don't feel bad about his firing, they have a right to that. It doesn't make them culpable.

Where did I say white fanboys? I said James Gunn is white male. A wealthy one with connections at that. Who worked for Marvel. Who made 2 movies that both grossed over a billion dollars each. He has a Sony project coming out...

The dude will be FINE. He's gonna be getting Guardian residuals till he's in the casket. People were acting like dude is on the street never to work in Hollywood again. Like this dude didn't have a bank account before he got let go.

But while we're on the topic of fanboys.

There is an absolute cult of personality that's creating a bias here for some people. People like the guy. That's fine, people like his work. I understand that. But when people started attacking people with history of assault, that's just unacceptable. They can criticize, that's their right. People can feel how they want about it. I hope the posters who did that can think about how that made people feel, they take stuff of that nature very strongly for good reason.

It's okay to be a fanboy, but people have to be aware to take a step back and see when something is going on.

The Muskboys got a wake up last week. The Kanyeboys got one a few months ago too.
 

GrizzNKev

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I was criticizing the misplaced anger, which was being channeled against people who didn't fit the general opinion being reported. Those people aren't the enemy. Right now the Nazis are using social outrage tactics and they can be beaten the same way.

Why is this mini culture war being waged through celebrity employment?

Attack these clowns head up.

Why isn't there a ScumbagCernovich.com?

ScumbagPeterson.com?

ScumbagSharpio.com?

Why aren't we documenting ever shitty thing these guys put in the air into a nice neat digesable and accessible content space? It would make them 1000% easier to discredit. Easier to show people that these guys aren't worth listening to.

We need to mobilize the same exact way like these guys do, but we lack initiative. Imagine if that petition was focused on @Jack(Scumbag) taking notice of the filth Cernovich puts on Twitter.

Cite the damn Twitter TOS with every post that breaks it. Get aggressive.




Not at all swinging. Like I've told everyone, I'm seeing the entire context here. And that context includes those who don't feel bad about his firing, they have a right to that. It doesn't make them culpable.

Where did I say white fanboys? I said James Gunn is white male. A wealthy one with connections at that. Who worked for Marvel. Who made 2 movies that both grossed over a billion dollars each. He has a Sony project coming out...

The dude will be FINE. He's gonna be getting Guardian residuals till he's in the casket. People were acting like dude is on the street never to work in Hollywood again. Like this dude didn't have a bank account before he got let go.

But while we're on the topic of fanboys.

There is an absolute cult of personality that's creating a bias here for some people. People like the guy. That's fine, people like his work. I understand that. But when people started attacking people with history of assault, that's just unacceptable. They can criticize, that's their right. People can feel how they want about it. I hope the posters who did that can think about how that made people feel, they take stuff of that nature very strongly for good reason.

It's okay to be a fanboy, but people have to be aware to take a step back and see when something is going on.

The Muskboys got a wake up last week. The Kanyeboys got one a few months ago too.
Way to completely fail to understand the meaning of any of this. First of all, the actual shitty people ARE constantly being called out, their shit behavior recorded and reported to the operators of the platforms they occupy. Nothing happens. Ever. Because the platform holders want them there. The same tactics do not work both ways.

And about James being fine, well duh. That's not the point. This isn't about protecting his livelihood. It's about refusing to validate attacks of this kind, which are a growing trend. Why is it so hard to think critically about this and see the bigger picture?
 

Brock Reiher

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I was criticizing the misplaced anger, which was being channeled against people who didn't fit the general opinion being reported. Those people aren't the enemy. Right now the Nazis are using social outrage tactics and they can be beaten the same way.

Why is this mini culture war being waged through celebrity employment?

Attack these clowns head up.

Why isn't there a ScumbagCernovich.com?

ScumbagPeterson.com?

ScumbagSharpio.com?

Why aren't we documenting ever shitty thing these guys put in the air into a nice neat digesable and accessible content space? It would make them 1000% easier to discredit. Easier to show people that these guys aren't worth listening to.

We need to mobilize the same exact way like these guys do, but we lack initiative. Imagine if that petition was focused on @Jack(Scumbag) taking notice of the filth Cernovich puts on Twitter.

Cite the damn Twitter TOS with every post that breaks it. Get aggressive.
True, although I think Jack is already well aware. It would probably be better to be able to show examples than to just say "the alt-right" over and over again tho
 

Buzzman

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Don't really give a shit about Gunn, he'll survive. But the problem is that the fascists have now been given a tool to shut down vocal dissent against anyone who opposes them.
Now they've chosen to go after Patton Oswalt, Sarah Silverman, Michael Ian Black and many others. Do you not see the problem in allowing nazi rapists to dictate the conversation on social media?
If you're just going to stand by and watch while an ally gets torn down with the argument "well he wasn't perfect so he had it coming" you won't have any people left standing up for you.
 

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I was criticizing the misplaced anger, which was being channeled against people who didn't fit the general opinion being reported. Those people aren't the enemy. Right now the Nazis are using social outrage tactics and they can be beaten the same way.

Why is this mini culture war being waged through celebrity employment?

Attack these clowns head up.

Why isn't there a ScumbagCernovich.com?

ScumbagPeterson.com?

ScumbagSharpio.com?

Why aren't we documenting ever shitty thing these guys put in the air into a nice neat digesable and accessible content space? It would make them 1000% easier to discredit. Easier to show people that these guys aren't worth listening to.

We need to mobilize the same exact way like these guys do, but we lack initiative. Imagine if that petition was focused on @Jack(Scumbag) taking notice of the filth Cernovich puts on Twitter.

Cite the damn Twitter TOS with every post that breaks it. Get aggressive.




Not at all swinging. Like I've told everyone, I'm seeing the entire context here. And that context includes those who don't feel bad about his firing, they have a right to that. It doesn't make them culpable.

Where did I say white fanboys? I said James Gunn is white male. A wealthy one with connections at that. Who worked for Marvel. Who made 2 movies that both grossed over a billion dollars each. He has a Sony project coming out...

The dude will be FINE. He's gonna be getting Guardian residuals till he's in the casket. People were acting like dude is on the street never to work in Hollywood again. Like this dude didn't have a bank account before he got let go.

But while we're on the topic of fanboys.

There is an absolute cult of personality that's creating a bias here for some people. People like the guy. That's fine, people like his work. I understand that. But when people started attacking people with history of assault, that's just unacceptable. They can criticize, that's their right. People can feel how they want about it. I hope the posters who did that can think about how that made people feel, they take stuff of that nature very strongly for good reason.

It's okay to be a fanboy, but people have to be aware to take a step back and see when something is going on.

The Muskboys got a wake up last week. The Kanyeboys got one a few months ago too.
You’re still talking about fanboys and Gunn’s money like that’s what matters here.

Anyway I’m done.
 

DigitalOp

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Way to completely fail to understand the meaning of any of this. First of all, the actual shitty people ARE constantly being called out, their shit behavior recorded and reported to the operators of the platforms they occupy. Nothing happens. Ever. Because the platform holders want them there. The same tactics do not work both ways.

And about James being fine, well duh. That's not the point. This isn't about protecting his livelihood. It's about refusing to validate attacks of this kind, which are a growing trend. Why is it so hard to think critically about this and see the bigger picture?
What do you mean? I'm not missing anything.

And if those tactics don't work, then we need to find others.

I personally don't agree that they don't work because it's nowhere close to what I suggested. Scattered people here and there doesn't equal a full campaign with websites and social accounts.

And since the Shitty 4 is so complicit like you say, (and I agree with you) (FB,TW,REDD,YOUTB)

Then we have 4 huge targets that we need to shit on and make bigger waves.

But people need to heed the warning about this fight. If we're gonna kick a bitch to get Rosanne fired for her shit comments (deservingly so). Then it absolutely can come back and bite people in the ass.

Gunn is a sad example of that right here. He got put on front street. You honestly think Disney would do nothing? That's unrealistic to me.
 

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Bro you straight up asked me to explain my view and I elaborated in detail on what I meant specifically in my sentences.

Don't do that man.
If some people feel Gunn is irredeemable because of their personal experiences that’s fine. But by the same token people who realize this isn’t just about Gunn or who have sympathy for Gunn despite his money shouldn’t be reduced to fanboys and disregarded.

There’s no point only considering the most extreme positions.
 

Vautrin

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Yeah I agree and think Chris Pratt, who most likely voted for Trump, should pick a fight with the internet mob and see how well that goes for him
 

Gleethor

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Due to the proximity to the impending merger/acquisition, I imagine Disney is in “fire everything that even remotely rocks the boat” mode.


Basically what I’m saying is that this is a great time to try and get James Woods removed from Kingdom Hearts 3.
 

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Due to the proximity to the impending merger/acquisition, I imagine Disney is in “fire everything that even remotely rocks the boat” mode.


Basically what I’m saying is that this is a great time to try and get James Woods removed from Kingdom Hearts 3.
They’re not going to do anything to on-screen talent. To suits only behind the camera people are expendable
 

B-Dubs

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Quick reminder: While it is possible for people to grow and change and ask forgiveness, that does not mean that everyone is required to forgive. The role of hate groups in this incident should not be overlooked, but simply feeling that Gunn’s tweets were unforgivable does not make someone a member or sympathizer of said groups.
 

Tranqueris

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I can't wait until Disney hires Kid Mero and Desus Nice and then subsequently fires them sometime later.

"You're right, @NazisArePeopleToo69, comedy about sucking someone's genitals from the back has no place at Disney and neither does comedy about eating ass. Thank you for bringing these concerning issues to our attention."
 

N. Tyranno

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Seriously? Dude we always get the tactics lobbed at us, even those of us who are shot dead by police and get their entire history dragged out to certify that we deserved it.
Again, I’m not making any claims that James Gunn is going to suffer anywhere near the same kind of stigma or that this doesn’t already happen to minorities. A major multi-national company basically just legitimized this sort of thing. These people are going to be even more now. The problem is that these things are going to exacerbate.

Handing them any kind of victory over what boils down to nothing more than thoughtcrime is bad for everyone.
 

BossAttack

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Honestly, until this whole controversy I had no idea Pratt was a religious dude. I think that makes his Jesus line in Infinity War even funnier.