Well, we do know that there's plenty of pedophiles in Hollywood. Thing just is... they're all keeping their jobs, or dying before they face consequences.
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Disney severs ties with James Gunn after controversial tweets
- Thread starter Sibersk Esto
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Well, we do know that there's plenty of pedophiles in Hollywood. Thing just is... they're all keeping their jobs, or dying before they face consequences.
Was going to say the same. We're coming off a year of metoo with the likes of CK, Weinstien, Morgan, Goddard, Spacey, and more, with many getting underage hit against them as well.
It not so much of a conspiracy by the alt right. More them just latching on to a current present issue.
There are pedophiles in every industry, whether it's entertainment or some guy who works at CVS up the street form you.
Saying Hollywood is "full" of pedophiles feeds into conspiracy theories like Pizzagate.
Here comes the negative PR, biggie Deadline weighs in:
https://deadline.com/2018/07/chris-...&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
Headline:
Chris Pratt, Zoe Saldana, Karen Gillan Speak Out Amid James Gunn Fallout; Petition To Rehire 'Guardians' Director Gains Steam
https://deadline.com/2018/07/chris-...&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
Headline:
Chris Pratt, Zoe Saldana, Karen Gillan Speak Out Amid James Gunn Fallout; Petition To Rehire 'Guardians' Director Gains Steam
It's almost like every person who has ever worked with him under Disney can vouch for him being a great person. Shocking!!!!
What a headline, up there with 'first Half-Life, 3 screen-shots'.
I also agree with you, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's business as usual out there. Hollywood is especially geared toward this
I certainly won't disagree that there aren't plenty (Singer alone should be proof enough something isn't quite right), but I'm hopeful it's not as large as you think.
The problem is people in this industry protect pedos, or people are willing to look the other way because they fear for their own career. This isn't a problem AT fucking CVS.
Looks like he is getting tired of this situation and leaving twitter as well.
Cheadle is always so on point. <3
Throwing Gunn in front of the pedo-bus is the conspiracy, since they were talking about Gunn, obviously people are saying they're buying into the Alt-Right propaganda.
Know who supports and protects actual Pedos? The Alt-Right. Them calling ANYONE a Pedo should be a huge red flag on its own.
I love this man.
Cheadle is super outspoke against Trump and the alt-right MAGA dicks to a point where he loves to troll and berate them. I honestly doubt he would leave, he toys with them all the time like a master.
Damn, Cheadle bouncing too huh
And people still on the "I'm not saying Gunn is a pedo, but" tip huh
And people still on the "I'm not saying Gunn is a pedo, but" tip huh
This is completely valid and worth discussing, though we shouldn't go too off topic.
But Lexi's tweet was not talking about the intricacies of Hollywood's problems. And the alt-right doesn't care about that either. Her tweet was questioning if Gunn's jokes are proof of pedophiles being all over Hollywood and his jokes are of course are not proof of anything.
And the alt-right isn't talking about those protecting others for fear of their own careers. They believe that the majority of Hollywood are having sex with children. That's literally what they believe and the idea that they push.
That's my point. No one should have been harassing Lexi on Twitter. But it wasn't as simple as "she said Gunn should be fired" either. She repeated alt-right nonsense under a "just asking questions" guise.
Hollywood being fertile ground for pedophiles to prey on innocent children isn't an alt-right conspiracy. It's the truth. There have been documentaries about it, there have been multiple reports from victims. Industry people like Seth McFarlane have not-so-subtly hinted at it. And yet people like Kevin Spacey and Bryan Singer get to walk away with barely a slap on the wrist. Polanski gets a standing ovation and hundreds of actors signing letters of support. Hollywood is disgusting.
Hollywood's full of predators because vulnerable people come from all around the world with hopes of making it big. That's no alt-right conspiracy.
Sure. But talking about it now, in this context, helps the alt right co-opt concerns about this very real problem to take the focus away from actual abusers and point it toward people who make bad jokes.
You just have to look at how the British entertainment industry dealt with this shit. Or, eh, didn't, given that one of our worst, most notorious sex offenders - so brazen he'd brag about it while still alive - wasn't properly investigated until he was dead (at which point it was revealed he was far, far worse than even his creeper reputation suggested, even going so far as to dabble in necrophilia).
I don't doubt Hollywood hides equal monstrosities.
My problem is we have people here that want to silence any discussion on pedophilia in hollywood because it might taint your favorite industry with things you don't want to acknowledge. I mean, we wouldn't have to discuss pedophilia if james gunn didn't make multiple tweets about sex acts with children. When i point this out i'm ALTRIGHT. Hollywood is rampant with sexual abuse, this is not a conspiracy. And no i dont think james gunn is a pedo.
Exactly. Which is why so many Hollywood people and comedians making jokes about the issue is in extremely bad taste. Unless you make them with the purpose of exposing these people like McFarlane did.
Funny that they left out Bautista, who left no ambiguity on where he stands.
Sure, but they're not involved in this shit here right now.
Again, context. She called people supporting Gunn an indicator for "Hollywood being cool with pedophilia" - That's trying to turn every single supporter into an advocate of pedophilia, that's a fucked up statement to make.
Like I always say, deplatforming works.
Oops, they're stealing that one from us too. Oh drat.
The alt right isn't interested in catching the actual predators. In many ways it feels like they are using sexual assault as the thing they try to oust people with in the hopes that, even if their targets aren't hurt, onlookers are less likely to believe the next real accusation because well now it's been proven that people really do just make this shit up.
Cernovich in particular would not care if the end result is people are more skeptical when someone is accused of sexually abusing another person.
Cernovich in particular would not care if the end result is people are more skeptical when someone is accused of sexually abusing another person.
Nobody is trying to silence a discussion about pedophilia in Hollywood because this topic has nothing to do with pedophilia in Hollywood. James Gunn isn't a pedophile. The campaign against him has nothing to do with trying to expose pedophiles. You're being naive and falling directly into their false narrative. They are using the known fact that there Hollywood has this problem and leveraging these out of context edgy humor to rile people like you up so they can silence anyone trying to speak against Trump.
MeToo existed to give a voice to those who previously didn't have one. It took power away from the powerful who used it to do horrible things. These fucks are harnessing the same sentiments and turning it around on people who haven't actually done anything wrong beyond being offensive. They want you to think this is the same story, but it's not.
Legitimate question because I honestly feel like I'm taking crazy pills regarding this story:
At your current job, if you had a twitter account with the same jokes that Gunn had, and a coworker printed the tweets out and passed them around the office and ultimately gave them to your boss, would you be fired?
Maybe it's because I work in a more conservative industry (law), but in my head I'm thinking pretty much every job I can think of would probably fire someone where this situation came out. And even in a scenario where they hired the person some years ago knowing about the tweets, if they resurfaced in an office with employees who hadn't known about the tweets, they would have pressure from their own employees to fire you. (Or for example if the tweets went around locally on social media and customers started calling/e-mailing the higher ups to complain about you)
Am I totally off base in this? That's the main reason I'm so dumbfounded by the positions that A LOT of people are taking here and on twitter/media outlets that Gunn should not have been fired for those tweets, it just seems like such a slam dunk firing in any professional context I can think of.
***I'm not trying to start shit, I really am wondering if my position is completely crazy because enough people are defending this guy to the point where I have to question my own position.
At your current job, if you had a twitter account with the same jokes that Gunn had, and a coworker printed the tweets out and passed them around the office and ultimately gave them to your boss, would you be fired?
Maybe it's because I work in a more conservative industry (law), but in my head I'm thinking pretty much every job I can think of would probably fire someone where this situation came out. And even in a scenario where they hired the person some years ago knowing about the tweets, if they resurfaced in an office with employees who hadn't known about the tweets, they would have pressure from their own employees to fire you. (Or for example if the tweets went around locally on social media and customers started calling/e-mailing the higher ups to complain about you)
Am I totally off base in this? That's the main reason I'm so dumbfounded by the positions that A LOT of people are taking here and on twitter/media outlets that Gunn should not have been fired for those tweets, it just seems like such a slam dunk firing in any professional context I can think of.
***I'm not trying to start shit, I really am wondering if my position is completely crazy because enough people are defending this guy to the point where I have to question my own position.
Bolded reminds me of the reaction to child rape in the Catholic church
FWIW I disagree with Gunn's firing because those tweets were old and a known quantity. But Disney's gonna Disney.
You're basically saying these people can never work again though. Redemption be damned.
Now that creates quite the dilemma for those alt-righters that idolize Rick Sanchez.
I'm really bummed out by the cast response to this incident. It's actually worse for me than Gunn getting fired. What the people behind outrages like this one are managing to do is discover a new kind of censorship, one that is created by a few but then spread by the masses, without even realizing it. People join the outrage thinking they're doing something good and in, I assume, good faith, but they're just being used as pawns.
The cast's response has been so vague and free of any concrete emotion towards James that it shows me that they're all scared, scared of saying something that might cost them their job or fandom. It's plain censorship and psychological abuse through social media. And it will only grow from here, famous people will start deleting past jokes, then accounts (like Harmon just did), then stop saying what goes through their minds altogether. Should they always say what goes through their minds? No. But they should have the right to do it.
Where I'm from we're lead to believe that there are no limits to humor and everything goes. Of course this leads to some vary bad jokes and many offensive ones, but they're not evil in their core. And I would never think badly of the humorists themselves for the jokes they do.
Firing him on the basis of 6 year-old tweets shows me Disney has no backbone and that there's no emotion when it comes to franchise movie-making. They can show us photos of all the MCU cast looking jolly for the 10y celebration, but in the end they're all disposable. It also removes the right to grow as people from these artists (you're always growing as a person and individual, whether you're 8 or 80) and the right to experimentation and free speech.
And then you have the president of the USA straight out threatening another country on twitter and it's fair game.
Oh well, at the end of the day there are much worse things happening in the world than James Gunn being fired, and I'm not even a big fan of the guy (as a director), it's just a minor thing that to me means that the dark times can only get darker.
The cast's response has been so vague and free of any concrete emotion towards James that it shows me that they're all scared, scared of saying something that might cost them their job or fandom. It's plain censorship and psychological abuse through social media. And it will only grow from here, famous people will start deleting past jokes, then accounts (like Harmon just did), then stop saying what goes through their minds altogether. Should they always say what goes through their minds? No. But they should have the right to do it.
Where I'm from we're lead to believe that there are no limits to humor and everything goes. Of course this leads to some vary bad jokes and many offensive ones, but they're not evil in their core. And I would never think badly of the humorists themselves for the jokes they do.
Firing him on the basis of 6 year-old tweets shows me Disney has no backbone and that there's no emotion when it comes to franchise movie-making. They can show us photos of all the MCU cast looking jolly for the 10y celebration, but in the end they're all disposable. It also removes the right to grow as people from these artists (you're always growing as a person and individual, whether you're 8 or 80) and the right to experimentation and free speech.
And then you have the president of the USA straight out threatening another country on twitter and it's fair game.
Oh well, at the end of the day there are much worse things happening in the world than James Gunn being fired, and I'm not even a big fan of the guy (as a director), it's just a minor thing that to me means that the dark times can only get darker.
I had never heard about them. My opinion is that he should have never been hired by Disney but since he did, they could have stuck with him. However, I fully understand why they wanted to get ahead of a potential PR nightmare. To be honest, if I was calling the shots at Disney I would have done the same.
While it's true this applies to Hollywood, it also applies to any industry where there are a large group of people treated as being more important or powerful, ie the music industry (including rockstars and groupies), religion, or politics.
The vast majority of Hollywood, just like society, are not pedophiles or predators. For the couple dozen or so people you've heard about doing this kind of heinous shit think about the thousands you don't hear about.