Disney-Sony Standoff Ends Marvel Studios & Kevin Feige’s Involvement In ‘Spider-Man’

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Zero-ELEC

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Spider-Gwen sure, but wouldn't Gwenpool have been FOX, since she's just a female version of Deadpool?
Gwenpool is owned by Marvel Entertainment, as evidenced by her appearing in Marvel Future Fight long before the "Fox ban" was lifted.

Probably not a good idea to piss off Marvel. Look how well that worked out for Fox's X-Men and Fantastic Four franchises. Marvel can straight kill off the Spider-Man franchise (Like they did the X-Men and Fantastic Four comics) and laugh when Sony comes begging back to sell them the rights.
Unlike the somewhat ailing X-Men property (because it was handled poorly for a while) and the Fantastic Four's lower mindshare outside of Hickman, Spider-Man is selling much more consistently.
 

excelsiorlef

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Venom 2 (vs Carnage that survives the movie, ends with Spider-man cameo)
Morbius (post-credits scene introducing Shriek)
Spider-man 3 (introduces Norman Osborn and Kraven, post credits scene with Doppelganger)
Kraven's Last Hunt
Spider-Man/Venom: Maximum Carnage
They'll be looking to reboot long before they ever get to fucking Maximum Carnage lmao.
 

Grunge_Hamster

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Sony also owns the movie rights of Spider-Gwen and Gwenpool?
Spider-Gwen sure, but wouldn't Gwenpool have been FOX, since she's just a female version of Deadpool?
No idea if Fox would have owned her, but Sony certainly didn't as she's not a Spider-Man character.
Gwenpool is so much more :D



Her debut is interesting because of those Fox/Sony issues:
"The last thing we ever expected was for [the variant] to go viral," reflected Antos in an exclusive interview with CBR at the 2019 Emerald City Comic-Con. "Within weeks of that cover being released, there was fan art, there was cosplay. That didn't happen with any of the other covers. [But] Fox owned Deadpool and Sony owns Gwen Stacy. That's why she was Gwendolyn Poole. That's why she actually debuted in Howard the Duck. She had her debut in an issue that was a Marvel property."
If you can, please check out Hashting/Gurihiru run. It's quite fun :D :D :D
 

excelsiorlef

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For as left-leaning and socialist as our community is, a lot of people sure are willing to go to bat for Disney, one of the most egregious companies in America and probably the worst in all of media— Buying up the competition and bullying much smaller companies that can’t compete, taking a bigger cut from strongarming cinemas to only show their movies for weeks at a time, edging out indie studios, pushing all of media further and further into an oligarchy.

But hey, gotta have my spidey in the avengers.
#socialists4Sony
 

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Probably not a good idea to piss off Marvel. Look how well that worked out for Fox's X-Men and Fantastic Four franchises. Marvel can straight kill off the Spider-Man franchise (Like they did the X-Men and Fantastic Four comics) and laugh when Sony comes begging back to sell them the rights.
Dude that's never happening SM is their biggest property lmao
 

Key222

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Probably not a good idea to piss off Marvel. Look how well that worked out for Fox's X-Men and Fantastic Four franchises. Marvel can straight kill off the Spider-Man franchise (Like they did the X-Men and Fantastic Four comics) and laugh when Sony comes begging back to sell them the rights.
Fox's X-Men and Fantastic Four didn't fail because of anything Marvel did and Marvel still makes a lot off the Spiderman franchise regardless of their deal with Sony.
 

RagnarokX

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Since negotiations are ongoing, this seems like a power move by Disney to pressure Sony into accepting their terms by drumming up bad PR.
 

ry-dog

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lol this isn't going to happen, give it a week and there will be a "Sony and Disney come to an agreement" story.

Which is a shame, because I'd love to have seen the awkward mess of writing out the rest of the MCU
 

Pandora012

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in this thread's roughly 2,900 posts someone has probably already put a shitton more effort than i'm about to in explaining that, uh, if the ASM franchise had "made a lot" net, we literally wouldn't be having this conversation right now
No it made alot of money. The issue was production costs that ate into their profit. Specifically the 2nd one. Mcu didn't really save spiderman, it just put it in better hands. But i guess you can continue living in your fantasy world that they were failures. Kinda like those people on Twitter talking about Sony's stock plunge.
 

Phantom_Snake

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Playing on the TV in the background of the next MCU movie:

"In other news, notorious EU super hero Night Monkey killed trying to stop a bank robbery."
I imagine Marvel will explain it with Peter getting stuck in the multiverse, or went into hiding. Marvel wants all their properties back, either Disney buys the rights back in a few years or they wait until Sony Pictures inevitably gets bought out and the rights revert back to Marvel.


"Sooner or later, they're going to get the rights back to all our characters. They're working on it, and they're still making X-Men movies and stuff. Don't worry about it. You'll get more Marvel superheroes than you'll have time to look at in the next few years." - Stan Lee (2017)

Of course he's referring to X-Men and FF but Spider-Man and Hulk fall into that category as well.
 

Katamari

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Spider-man 2 and Spider-verse > homecoming and FFH
Thinking about this makes me think if any other studio should’ve bought Marvel instead of Disney.

Sony (Spider-Man films), WB (Dark Knight trilogy), Paramount (Ironman), and Fox (X2, Logan) are always brought up in Era threads. Maybe it’s better of all the characters were split among different studios.
 
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Fox's X-Men and Fantastic Four didn't fail because of anything Marvel did and Marvel still makes a lot off the Spiderman franchise regardless of their deal with Sony.
Marvel killed off the comics and merchandising, you do understand how that sways sentiment and public favor right? They distanced themselves from their own IP, people saw that as a lack of faith in the end product being produced. And yes, Marvel makes alot of licensing with Spider-Man but don't think for a second they can't pivot exposure and play the long game to get the rights back.
 

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Yawn, such a transparent ploy to rally the people against Sony LOL

Brand fanboys are the worst.
Oh you should have seen ManaByte’s tweet earlier, which he deleted but there are screenshots of. He basically had a meltdown and started promoting Xbox. Mods of course decided to do absolutely nothing about it because they consider him a valuable asset to this forum or something.
 

Key222

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Marvel killed off the comics and merchandising, you do understand how that sways sentiment and public favor right? They distanced themselves from their own IP, people saw that as a lack of faith in the end product being produced. And yes, Marvel makes alot of licensing with Spider-Man but don't think for a second they can't pivot exposure and play the long game to get the rights back.
The lack of faith in the two movie franchises wasn't due to Marvel killing off the comics or merchandise, it's because Fox was consistently putting out a terrible product. Both Xmen and F4 are/were well established enough that they are more than capable of being massive successes without comics or merchandising. If anything, it would be the films (assuming they were consistently good) to push more sales of comics and merchandise.
 

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Oh you should have seen ManaByte’s tweet earlier, which he deleted but there are screenshots of. He basically had a meltdown and started promoting Xbox. Mods of course decided to absolutely nothing about it because they consider him a valuable asse
Mods should've banned ManaByte for a tweet he deleted?

that tweet was incredibly lame though, lol.
No it made alot of money. The issue was production costs that ate into their profit. Specifically the 2nd one. Mcu didn't really save spiderman, it just put it in better hands. But i guess you can continue living in your fantasy world that they were failures. Kinda like those people on Twitter talking about Sony's stock plunge.
You don't partner with a rival studio to resuscitate your most significant brand because you're successful on your own. Obviously, if Sony was just fine handling Spider-Man solo, they would not have made a deal with Disney in the first place
 

excelsiorlef

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lol this isn't going to happen, give it a week and there will be a "Sony and Disney come to an agreement" story.

Which is a shame, because I'd love to have seen the awkward mess of writing out the rest of the MCU
It's pretty easy he just retired and went to college after Mysterio ruined his life.

Edit: oops you meant the other way. Yah Peter no longer giving a shit about Stark will be fascinating
 

Dabanton

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Disney will capitulate. They frankly have no choice.

Like it or not they have made Spiderman central to their MCU. (especially in terms of being a fan favorite )To have him be removed would be a massive embarrassment.

Whoever was negotiating for Disney has overstretched themselves. Wouldnt surprise me if Feige is furious behind the scenes at this clusterfuck. One of the jewels of his vison getting taken away. I can't see it.

Sony can happily have multiple Spiderman movies ready to go. Disney will have to shift around a lot of shit.

This will be sorted by end of the week I'm betting and everyone can be lovey-dovey again.
 

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Oh you should have seen ManaByte’s tweet earlier, which he deleted but there are screenshots of. He basically had a meltdown and started promoting Xbox. Mods of course decided to do absolutely nothing about it because they consider him a valuable asset to this forum or something.
What does it matter to you what he tweeted? It affects you in no way and it was from off-site. Grow up.
 

AlexFlame116

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Andy Signore out there on Twitter telling people that it's all Disney's fault and that they need to be humbled lmao. Then says to watch his video to learn more.

What a dumb way to get views.
 
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No it made alot of money. The issue was production costs that ate into their profit. Specifically the 2nd one. Mcu didn't really save spiderman, it just put it in better hands. But i guess you can continue living in your fantasy world that they were failures. Kinda like those people on Twitter talking about Sony's stock plunge.
Yep. Sony did make a profit on ASM2. Around $70 million if I remember right. The big problem like you said was the budget.
 
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