No they didn't Feige cast Tom Holland. He even said it on Jon Favreau's netflix show.
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Disney-Sony Standoff Ends Marvel Studios & Kevin Feige’s Involvement In ‘Spider-Man’
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No they didn't Feige cast Tom Holland. He even said it on Jon Favreau's netflix show.
Creative control isn't about altering or canceling contracts, it's about exercising creative authority and yes it can hobble or even sink projects. Ask Capcom about it.
And this is assuming there even is a contract for SM2 and Insomniac's already in production, neither of which are known so it's conjecture anyway. I mean I'd assume SEI got a multigame contract (I'd assume the same for Nintendo with MUA too) but then I'd have also thought Marvel and SP had worked out a multifilm deal already (like a trilogy) and apparently that didn't happen. Until we know this for sure you can't really keep repeating "contract!" as if that insulates everything on Sony's end. As always with contracts, if there's a contract, it's more complicated than that.
And making sense isn't relevant with Disney hardball. Perlmutter will cut off his nose to spite his face, that's exactly how it went with the X-Men/FF ban that resulted in Marvel sinking licensing that they took 100% on for years. It's all about devaluing the brand competitively and using that for leverage. We've seen it happen and it could easily happen again.
Right, Zendaya unfollowed Sony and the official "Spiderman" Instagram account.
Yep lol. I feel like they would have announced a new spider man movie by this Friday if talks weren't at a stand still right now.
I'd actually be very curious if it is. Disney still retains TV rights and everything else non-film with regards to Spider-Man. But, their may be something regarding the film contract they penned with Disney that prevents this.
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I think Spider-Man was going to be an important fixture in the next phase of the MCU but I doubt Feige would have placed all the eggs in that one basket given the tenuous nature of the deal between the two studios. Also, the MCU has HUGE characters they can pivot to, including Captain Marvel and Black Panther, not to mention the new characters being introduced in Phase 4.
SM3 made boat loads of money riding the hype and goodwill from SM1+2. SM3 actually did LESS domestically than SM2 and only achieved higher profitability due to the rising international market, most of which they receive a lesser cut from.
Yes, the SM brand has and almost always will be valuable, but there's such a thing as brand damage and opportunity cost. You're right, Disney/Feige knew that if they could get SM in the MCU it would be a huge draw and why they did it for a pittance. It makes complete sense that Disney would want to renegotiate the terms after proving their worth by making Far From Home the highest grossing Sony movie ever. It's just silly because this MCU Spider-Man is beloved by the fans, they've proven to be a draw for both companies, and I highly doubt another reboot would go over well with audiences.
It's scary how many people think that Disney homogenizing the entire entertainment industry is a good thing.
Sure, there's an opportunity cost (both time spent, and having to have a spot for it on the crowded schedule). But I doubt their profits were "minuscule." Just less.
They could potentially offer them billions of dollars for those rights, an offer Sony would actually be dumb to refuse.
Holding it hostage? They have the film rights. Are they supposed to just give it away?
Fuck everything.
Get Disney's and Sony's stuffed shirts back in a room and lock them in it until they reach a deal.
Get Disney's and Sony's stuffed shirts back in a room and lock them in it until they reach a deal.
What? Source on that?
Disney Revenue: $59.43 billion USD
Sony Revenue: $37.45 billion USD
How is that childish?
These actors were part of the biggest, most profitable cinematic franchise in history. Being removed from that - especially in this day and age when franchise trumps personal celebrity branding - would be quite disconcerting.
Source?
We know Marvel has animated TV rights to Spider-Man, but I don't know about live action.
Yes. Sony should be glad to work with disney. Check the receipts. Spider-Man 1-3 sucked. ASM 1 and 2 made no profit. Venom? It was a bomb. It totally did not make more money for Sony than Homecoming did. Sony? They should be glad to working with Disney. Sony. Please do the right thing and hand over all the rights to Disney. Thank you.
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wow, what a shocking revelation that a company making entertainment products for public consumption relies on targeted public awareness that their product exists and positive feedback from the public that their product is quality for it to prosper
what an absolutely novel assertion
When you get down to it though it sucks for Disney but Sony is going to take the big hit here. Marvel can just ignore anything that happened in FFH and keep right on trucking. We really weren't expecting to see Spiderman in a cross over until at least Phase 5 anyway so that's a pretty easy ignore. Sony is going to struggle though because their Spiderman is so ingrained into the MCU and they've pissed off all of the MCU faithful that went out to see FFH. They're back to Amazing Spiderman 2 levels of goodwill which is a really bad thing for them.
Marvel will just do what they did with X-Men, choke out the merch to try to drive down ticket sales.
I think it's still a rumor for all we know?
Perlmutter doesn't control Marvel Studios, and hasn't for years.
Oh I agree with you entirely. The problem is Sony Pictures is and has almost always been a clusterfuck of a studio.
There's a fascinating read called The Big Picture that deals with the ever-changing topography of the film business and it is heavily centered on Sony Pictures successes and myriad of failures.
What year are you looking at? Sony made $81 billion USD in revenue in fiscal 2019.
Sony signs their cheques at the end of the day 🤷🏾♂️ they knew it was a potentially volatile situation.
They're just perpetuating the narrative the Disney are the victims here.
I thought ASM1 was deadly dull and skipped ASM2, but I will be there day one for the next Holland Spidey movie, MCU or not.
The MCU connections have been the worst aspects of the the Holland movies by a mile.
Imagine being part of the MCU as a leading lady only to be downgraded to the Sony Spider-Man universe. I would be extremely disappointed.
I love people who don't care about the money and follow their heart
If this goes back to Sony, I imagine it's going to be a recasting and not Tom Holland.
How would that be possible when the fiscal year of 2019 isn't over? The annual fiscal report for 2019 would not be released yet.
It could also be the fact they love working Marvel Studios and don't want to work just with Sony.
I thought he was under contract for one more.
And that tweet seems to imply they would just carry on. Why wouldn't they? Holland is beloved in the role and the movies were hits.
Just in revenue.
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Revenue - 82B
Operating Income - 8.5B
Market Cap - 72.5B
Enterprise Value -70B
DIS
Revenue - 59.5B
Operating Profits - 15.7B
Market Cap - 245B
Enterprise Value - 310B
You do realize that star-driven films are almost completely dead, right? That currently the most viable product in film are franchises?
These actors are not Sony's automatons; they have every right to be publicly annoyed with losing out on the MCU.
And FYI, if Sony fucks up and the next spider-Man bombs or underperforms, they'll reboot and toss aside these current actors without hesitation.
They don't owe Sony a thing.
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Again, no fault of it lies with Sony when Disney are the ones attempting to strong arm.
They signed contracts and are paid by Sony. Same way footballers get criticised for social media childish ness when attempting to force a move to another club.
It just perpetuates that Disney can do no wrong. We've seen ManaByte "fake news" tweets go viral and it'll get messier from here.
Their contracts are already locked in so they can take whatever stance they want because they are still contractually obligated to do these films at whatever pay rate their contracts stipulate. They have a right to be upset when the Spider-Man films being connected to the MCU was giving them a wealth of opportunities and helping them establish connections with bigger stars and producers.
What is Sony going to do? Fire them for unfollowing them on social media? That'd be throwing oil onto a fire.
And in regards to Zendaya, Disney is where she got her start. She wasn't going to burn any bridge with them lol
As I'm sure you can tell by my avatar, I really enjoyed those connections. I sat through ASM 1 and 2 in the theater or as i called them the amazingly creepy spiderman 1 and 2. I wasn't gonna be super jazzed with a third. If sony goes solo on the next Holland movie i'll probably pass. I love Holland's portrayal but man does Sony know how to screw the pooch on that license.
these are the same people who later go into other threads talking about how big business has completely upended politics and how capitalism exploits the average man
but god forbid they touch their super hero films because then all semblance of social welfare goes out the window
They're come to an agreement. This is just all posturing.
I'm not sure it's childish, but it comes across as using social media statements to shill for a corporation.
From 2011 (it's possible things have changed since then, but I don't believe it's public knowledge if they did change): https://wikileaks.org/sony/docs/07/... Deal Points/Executive Summary (Creative).pdf
I would like if Marvel had control of the characters they created. I don't think there's anything wrong with that and if the company hadn't sold those assets years ago it would be the reality.
That said, the idea that it's okay for Disney to own half the movie industry just because of Marvel is ridiculous. Yes those characters should be in control of Marvel since those are their characters in the end but losing Fox and trying to screw Sony Pictures to get there is not worth it.
That said, the idea that it's okay for Disney to own half the movie industry just because of Marvel is ridiculous. Yes those characters should be in control of Marvel since those are their characters in the end but losing Fox and trying to screw Sony Pictures to get there is not worth it.
They don't have to reboot. They can and will likely still use Holland and whoever else. They just won't mention MCU stuff, or hint at it like the Netflix shows.
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