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Disney's Mulan Actress Liu Yifei Supports Police in Hong Kong
- Thread starter YawZah
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You actually believe the Chinese government about...well, anything? That's exceedingly naive.
As much as this is a shitty thing to say, directing your anger at an individual who is just as vulnerable to abuses by the Chinese government as any other individual Chinese citizens rather than the authoritarian regime itself is misplaced anger. We are talking about a country where comparing the president to winnie the poo, or being Muslim, gets you sent to a concentration camp.
She's still an American citizen whether by-birth or not; but in the end does that really make a difference? She's clearly had enough exposure to the outside world to have had the ability to seek out or even accept viewpoints that aren't the ones she grew up with. If she chose to ignore all that as an adult then that's her fault.
And not just her, her family as well.
She doesn't get to have her own opinion here.
The idea that money matters when it comes to retribution while living under a regime like that is ridiculous.
She was raised in China, so she's probably had this sentiment drilled into her head. I definitely agree with you, but you could say the same for a bunch of Chinese celebrities. Unfortunately, many of them support the China even though they have international exposure. I was just saying that it's not surprising she thinks this way.
I think it's OK to direct some anger here because, unlike the majority of Chinese citizens who aren't rich enough to leave the country and live elsewhere, she has the money and life experience to make herself less vulnerable to the Chinese government. She has American citizenship, after all, and she has more than enough money to weather any potential.
She also has a very big platform so her choice to comment on this will no doubt increase anti-Hong Kong and pro-Police sentiments in China which will only worsen the position of the protestors. She's effectively acting as another arm of China's propaganda machine and, due to the reasons I mentioned above, she is more than likely doing so out of her own free will instead of through coercion.
It's not surprising, definitely.
She is still vulnerable to the Chinese regime. Multiple famous, wealthy people in China have faced the wrath of the Chinese government and paid for it. But yes I agree with you that she is acting as a further propaganda arm and harming the goal of the protestors. I just choose to direct my anger at the Chinese government at not those at its mercy.
What? Im not talking about her family being too wealthy to be punished or anything like that. Especially when the most successful female actress dissappeared for a few months. I
I'm saying that I'd be suprised if someone who grew up in one of the top 25 families in mainland China would be on the side of the protesters who are against mainland China. The patriotism is already drilled into the average persons head, it'd be even more if you're in a family like that. Your family is not getting that rich in an authoritarian country by being against the people in charge. Kids growing up in the richest families in the country aren't gonna really get exposed to negative things about the country either.
Her specific situation makes the odds even lower that she'd be on the protestors side. So even if they forced her to post that, I wouldn't be suprised if she didn't agree with it anyway.
But we'll never know
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Liu Yifei: "Yes... I support the police... in Hong Kong....." *whispers* "Unless I could find asylum in some other country, I gotta say this shit! You know what happened to Fan Bingbig? Chinese government don't give a fuck!" *back to normal voice* "Yes,... China is right on this one... "
The Chinese government has their hands in the entertainment industry in China so no matter who was cast, they were going to be pro-China.
Yeah it really bothers me that I am legally required to read every single thread whether I find it important or topical or not. If only I had the option to just skip out on participating in threads I don't find worthwhile. What a world...
The thing is she's not "in China," because she has American citizenship. If the Chinese government were to make her 'disappear' then that would likely spark some kind of international incident or at the very least it would be a very obvious black mark on China's image on the world stage (which they do attempt to keep clean even if it's not exactly working). She's also the adopted daughter of, from a quick Google search, China's 12th richest entrepreneur and Chairman of one of China's biggest investment firms; that will no doubt decrease her vulnerability quite considerably.
So I think, in context, the likelihood that she said this due to some form of coercion is much less likely than the notion that she just genuinely believes this stuff and simply decided to retweet something in support of those beliefs. It's fine to direct your anger at the Chinese government but, in the end, a government has to be backed by those who genuinely support it. If it were the case that the Chinese government would have to coerce literally everyone who might make a simple retweet like this, especially if said people are part of the elite themselves, then they would have never grown as insidious as they are today.
She has American citizenship so she could move to L.A. right now and live out the rest of her days on Mulan money alone if she really wanted to. This is, at best, purely economic but it's more likely to just be her tweeting out her genuine beliefs (as if she wanted to be truly economic she just wouldn't say anything and risk angering no-one).
I don't think she's being coerced, I think she truly believes it. I'm just saying that Chinese citizens don't have much of a choice except to believe and support the government. Which is why I direct my anger at the government and not individual Chinese citizens.
But she's not a Chinese citizen, she's a Chinese/American citizen and, as such, has more of a choice than most who live in China.
She also had the choice to simply not tweet out her support and, in turn, create more harmful propaganda that will be used to support the subjugation and abuse of those in Hong Kong. I think it's perfectly fine to direct anger in her direction because it shows that, even if people can't speak out against a regime, speaking out for a regime is still harmful.
She's a huge supporter of what Israel and the IDF are doing to Palestinians
Considering the state of China, there's no way to know wether that's a genuine emotion or just pandering to the ruling party.
Which is just... sad.
Which is just... sad.
The people who think she's pressured to do this are totally off the mark. This is not a robotic propaganda statement that someone is force to put out. The tweet is inciting and deeply insensitive. "I support HK police. Hit me if you will." What the hell is that?! It's like she woke up yesterday and decided to be a trolling brat: Yeah, I support HK police, so what... come at me bro.
BE A COP
you must be swift as a coursing river
BE A COP
with all the force of a great typhoon
BE A COP
with all the strength of a raging fire
you must be swift as a coursing river
BE A COP
with all the force of a great typhoon
BE A COP
with all the strength of a raging fire
Would be interesting if Disney gets dragged into this conflict because of Mulan.
Live action Mulan is geared to appeal to the Chinese movie audience. The actors are not going to criticize China unless they're very brave and/or stupid. Disney may have to decide if it's pro-Hong Kong independence or anti-Hong Kong independence.
Live action Mulan is geared to appeal to the Chinese movie audience. The actors are not going to criticize China unless they're very brave and/or stupid. Disney may have to decide if it's pro-Hong Kong independence or anti-Hong Kong independence.
I should mention that even if an actor/actress is not a Chinese national, they may have relatives in China who would be endangered if they were an outspoken critic of the CCP. It is very difficult to tell when someone is speaking "under duress" and when they're speaking "of their own free will" when it comes to authoritarian regimes.
All popular Chinese actors across mainland, Hongkong and Taiwan would not like to commit a career suicide over it. Like most movie stars in Hollywood would avoid talking about Palestine's' human-right condition and condoning Israel's brutality.
If you think Disney would even dare to make a political stand in current climate, you must be pretty delusional. By contrast, It will be more likely to make a statement to endorse HK government and appraise to the mainland consumers.
Disney's latest financial roadmap involves appealing heavily to the Chinese movie going audience. They are not going to overhaul their business plans or sacrifice that market for the sake of Hong Kong. I would be extremely shocked and impressed if they did. Corporations are typically less principled than governments, and most liberal governments can't even bring themselves to back Hong Kong because of the risk of ruining relations with China.
Sucks but that's market capitalism for you. Money is more importnt than liberty.
Sucks but that's market capitalism for you. Money is more importnt than liberty.
They just won't say anything because, right now, that's the most economically-sound thing to do.
And whilst the actors are probably not going to criticise China but they can definitely just not say anything about it.
Well yeah, but that doesn't mean I can't criticise them for not saying or doing anything (well they can't remove her from the film now, but the point still stands).
I just don't think it's likely at all here. Why would the Chinese government risk threatening the (god)daughter of the 12th richest person in the country just to get a generic retweet and basic-ass comment from them? Sure it's hard to tell for sure but in this case it really does seem like the actress made this statement from her own volition.
uhhhh. Mulan fought on the side of an absolute monarchy that didn't have gender equality of any kind...
I was under the impression that China does not accept dual citizenship, except for people in Hong Kong.
It doesn't need to be a literal threat. Just the knowledge that the CCP and Disney are keeping an eye on you would prevent you from speaking out of turn.
If your point is "why did she say anything at all instead of just keeping silent", I don't know. I could buy that she really feels this way which is why she spoke out.
Doesn't surprise me. They either truly support it. Or they have to keep putting on airs or their careers are ruined.
That is my entire point, yes. People are saying that her saying anything was coerced by the Chinese government which is, honestly, very far-fetched. Regimes like that would really suck if they had to force statements out of random celebrities to survive, especially ones as innocuous as this one.
But I still stand by her actually believing this. She's the (god)daughter of a member of the Chinese elite and most reports from China's mainland show that the majority do actually believe that the police are in the right. Her supporting the police is as unsurprising to me as one of Trump's kids supporting America's police.
I'm not well-versed in the details, but honestly I can't imagine that China would want to risk that kind of backlash just to get this basic-ass retweet post. She's not just a random citizen, after all.
I'd be willing to bet money that the Chinese government would torpedo her career in any way possible (slander most likely) if she didn't tow the line.
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Alternative, her elite relation suggested her to weigh in on China's side, just as a personal favor.
(This is approach tin-foil hat levels of assumptions.)
Hey, Liu Yifei, why you gotta be like that? :(
I'm not very familiar with her acting career, but she did some music in the past that I liked. She notably did Mayonaka no DOOR, the first ending song to the Power Puff Girls Z anime, and it's one of my favorite songs too. Gah.
I'm not very familiar with her acting career, but she did some music in the past that I liked. She notably did Mayonaka no DOOR, the first ending song to the Power Puff Girls Z anime, and it's one of my favorite songs too. Gah.
The way you wrote that made it sound like what she posted made no sense.
My point was more wondering if she even is a Chinese citizen anymore. Speaking to Chinese people here in Sweden (and I've known a few) only one of them took Swedish citizenship. The others didn't because they'd have to give up their Chinese citizenship and the one that did told me that she got a lot of shit from people back in China.