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DMC 5: New king of graphics?

-JD-

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
2,303
it .. really doesn't.

Having played up till chapter 8 on PC. I agree with what a lot of people have already said. REALLY impressive cut-scenes. But game play looks flat, seems like a lot of effects such as AO, and lighting quality take a hit during game play compared to cut-scenes even if you have them on the higher ends.

RE2 is a lot more consistent across the board in it's quality.
That's disappointing hearing about the lack of consistency. I'm still relatively early in the game but I think it has higher highs and lower lows than RE2. I'm more impressed by the lighting and model renders in DMC than RE2. No one bring out their knives but I admit to not being very impressed by RE2 outside of the character models.
 
Oct 31, 2017
1,819
As an overall package I still thinks things like God of War or Gran Turismo are more impressive. And there is doubtless PC only games that shit on it om a technical level.

But artistically? You can have whatever opinion you like.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,594
This game may set the record for shortest time until bland grey underground tunnels. There are times it looks absolutely stellar, and then there's most of the time. Mission 3 is straight up ugly. There is nothing impressive about the environments in this game so far (I'm less than halfway through to be fair), they're just getting by on the great quality of the rendering. Capcom put the focus on the characters, which is smart, but I'm not going to pretend it's not incredibly obvious where they cut corners.
I'm early, but so far I'd agree.

The character models are exceptional. The materials, fabrics, accessories, and hair are truly damn near Advent-Children level good.

Cutscenes are phenomenal. Fantastic lighting, insane particle effects.

But the environments are bland as fuck. Narrow as shit. Lack variety in both materials and overall aesthetic. Damn near zero interactivity. Very flat. Again, super easy to see where they cut corners.

On PC, at least, I'd give the edge to REMake 2 over this. I'd say RDR2 is still the best looking game I've seen - though it also runs at half the framerate at best.

I can't wait to give Metro w/ RTX a roll. I'm waiting for my new laptop to arrive (9900K + 2080 + 64GB) and that'll probably the first game I play to put it through its paces.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,377
RDR2 has larger and better looking environments, plus dynamic weather and time. DMC5 does look great though and I'm waiting to see their engine upgrades for Dragon's Dogma 2 which should bring in the dynamic time, weather, and open world!
Finally going to get the early Deep Down tech demo in playable form.
 
Oct 26, 2017
1,564
Orange County
Because it's running in real time.
These models are actually processed by the hardware. And it's not like the rest was lacking (damn ingame cloth and hair physics is amazing).
I haven't played it yet (I'm still torturing myself with RDR2 because the story is so good) but that is ridiculous if when you switch to actively playing the game there is a large drop in quality. Who cares if the in game movies are good.
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,807
I haven't played it yet (I'm still torturing myself with RDR2 because the story is so good) but that is ridiculous if when you switch to actively playing the game there is a large drop in quality. Who cares if the in game movies are good.

There'll always be a drop in quality between cutscenes and models.
Even in game though, it looks great as I said. It's just that in cutscenes, this is hands down the best 3D character models we saw in a game so far in real time.
 
Oct 26, 2017
1,564
Orange County
There'll always be a drop in quality between cutscenes and models.
Even in game though, it looks great as I said. It's just that in cutscenes, this is hands down the best 3D character models we saw in a game so far in real time.
I don't think that should be a barometer personally. I can't think of a cut scene in any game ever that I have thought - Now that is a new benchmark for graphics. Take RDR2 for instance I can't think of one cutscene I was even impressed by but riding my horse through a valley at sunrise with the morning fog about to dissipate now that is when I'm impressed.
 
May 31, 2018
316
Character models in cutscenes are top notch.

In-game graphics, some areas are good looking, the later stages feels a little repetitive / bland, but considering its running on 60fps most of the time, its quite impressive overall.
 
Oct 26, 2017
1,564
Orange County
I'm sorry guys.. but I stand by what I've seen so far. I just got to Mission 2 and went exploring the enviornments. The high quality shaders completely leapfrog any game out to date. There isn't another game that renders with this kind of quality - especially at 60FPS. Here are some more shots I made:



Take a look at the props (ballons). I've never seen such a realistic shader since TO:1886. Including Metro/RDR2 (all the other PS4 exclusives are pretty old fair by now to even compare)



Again more props with atmospheric volume smoke and heavy use of AO coupled with the materials = extremely well done graphics engine!



Impressive atmosphere here. The textures are very detailed as well as the normal maps from this distance.



Again, very good detail on the grown bricks. I can't find this consistently throughout Metro and RDR2 isn't going to be as sharp as this on PC.



Crazy detail. Show me a single setting in Metro that looks this good.


Best material work ever! Look at how they got the SSS right on the black guy's hand holding the cigarette. Show me any SSS you want that looks that good. His vest is a shiny velvet, his coat has the proper scattered light for fuzzy coat.

This is the kind of quality that I expect moving forward. And at 60FPS? I wonder what other hidden features they have in their RE Engine that can spice up the rendering even more. RTX lighting, perhaps?

Am I being punked or should I not be looking at these shots on my laptop?
These don't look good at all.
 
Jun 17, 2018
315
I'm not a very big fan of RDR2 but the graphics in DMC are nowhere near as good. Although DMC looks fantastic, RDR2 is on another level visually.

All that being said, I believe DMC is the better game to actually play.
 

Dark1x

Digital Foundry
Verified
Oct 26, 2017
2,609
That’s crazy how that works, thanks for the info.
IGN still makes this mistake. They did this two E3s ago with Forza 7 and then did it again with DMC5 footage a month back. It’s instantly obvious. You can create a LUT to tone map HDR to SDR, which I’ve done several times before, but if you don’t you get bland, gray footage like that.
 
Jan 30, 2018
5,145
IGN still makes this mistake. They did this two E3s ago with Forza 7 and then did it again with DMC5 footage a month back. It’s instantly obvious. You can create a LUT to tone map HDR to SDR, which I’ve done several times before, but if you don’t you get bland, gray footage like that.
With IGN I’m not even surprised at their blunders anymore. Your videos always look great in both HDR and SDR especially in 4K. I’m glad you guys take the time and put in the effort to do so.
Please can you guys make a mention if a game has HDR or not? I think there’ve been a few videos with no mentions of whether games use it. Not that you do all the videos on the channel but it’d be much appreciated.
 

Dark1x

Digital Foundry
Verified
Oct 26, 2017
2,609
With IGN I’m not even surprised at their blunders anymore. Your videos always look great in both HDR and SDR especially in 4K. I’m glad you guys take the time and put in the effort to do so.
Please can you guys make a mention if a game has HDR or not? I think there’ve been a few videos with no mentions of whether games use it. Not that you do all the videos on the channel but it’d be much appreciated.
I did mention it in DMC5 but it was late in the video, I think. 😏

I usually try to mention at least but I’m no EvilBoris - that’s man who knows his HDR.
 

Mula

Member
Jan 18, 2019
65
I'm sorry guys.. but I stand by what I've seen so far. I just got to Mission 2 and went exploring the enviornments. The high quality shaders completely leapfrog any game out to date. There isn't another game that renders with this kind of quality - especially at 60FPS. Here are some more shots I made:



Take a look at the props (ballons). I've never seen such a realistic shader since TO:1886. Including Metro/RDR2 (all the other PS4 exclusives are pretty old fair by now to even compare)



Again more props with atmospheric volume smoke and heavy use of AO coupled with the materials = extremely well done graphics engine!



Impressive atmosphere here. The textures are very detailed as well as the normal maps from this distance.



Again, very good detail on the grown bricks. I can't find this consistently throughout Metro and RDR2 isn't going to be as sharp as this on PC.



Crazy detail. Show me a single setting in Metro that looks this good.


Best material work ever! Look at how they got the SSS right on the black guy's hand holding the cigarette. Show me any SSS you want that looks that good. His vest is a shiny velvet, his coat has the proper scattered light for fuzzy coat.

This is the kind of quality that I expect moving forward. And at 60FPS? I wonder what other hidden features they have in their RE Engine that can spice up the rendering even more. RTX lighting, perhaps?
I don't see this awesome Special shaders that no other Game has. Especially these grown bricks look like something from the 360 era. King of graphics is the best overall package not just cutscenes. There are many games with better looking gameplay.
 
Jan 30, 2018
5,145
I did mention it in DMC5 but it was late in the video, I think. 😏

I usually try to mention at least but I’m no EvilBoris - that’s man who knows his HDR.
You definitely mentioned it in the DMC video. Thanks as I value your input.
I think it is great that you guys have brought on board members of this community like EvilBoris and Dictator. It really brings the community together.
 
Aug 12, 2018
1,058
This shit is the best and most technically advanced video game of this generation thus far. cannot wait for TLoU2!































Most realistic real-time kiss in gaming history
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Oct 28, 2017
2,002
I would say the cutscene models in DMC 5 are more impressive overall than U4, but the environments in U4 are easily more impressive. Again though, DMC 5 is 60 fps. It is a super impressive feat.

Upcoming games will change this debate quite significantly though, as always.
 

Mula

Member
Jan 18, 2019
65
I would say the cutscene models in DMC 5 are more impressive overall than U4, but the environments in U4 are easily more impressive. Again though, DMC 5 is 60 fps. It is a super impressive feat.

Upcoming games will change this debate quite significantly though, as always.
It is in cutscenes not 60 fps it is closer to a locked 30fps Game.
 
Oct 28, 2017
105
Berlin
I‘d agree on the best looking teeth... and the characters, enemies, effects are looking very good.
When it comes to the look of the environments not so much. I’m in chapter 11 and not impressed by the level design.
Uncharted 4 and especially RDR2 are looking a lot better in that regard.
But RE engine is a performance monster.
 
Oct 27, 2017
308
It looks great but more importantly runs great. So yeah, I would say it is the most technically impressive game because of that.
 

Valdega

Banned
Member
Sep 7, 2018
1,609
It looks aboutely 100% better than last year's Sony exclusives and about 200% better than Horizon which is already showing its age.
Hey now, it's a universal truth that Sony exclusives are the best-looking games ever made because of the Power of the Playstation. TLOU2 will blow DMC5 out of the water with its cinematic ~30 FPS fidelity.
 

Mula

Member
Jan 18, 2019
65
The POM there is not shadowing from that light though? It may in the sun, but that scfreen shot does not have it coming from the spot light on the flash light.
Hm, Shadows are right and above the Stones, at the Center of the light are no shadows, thats not the sun or something it looks ok to me
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,581
I don't see this awesome Special shaders that no other Game has. Especially these grown bricks look like something from the 360 era. King of graphics is the best overall package not just cutscenes. There are many games with better looking gameplay.
It's VFX_Veteran. He doesn't know what he's talking about but is adamant that people think he does.

That aside, game looks great, while running at 60fps. You know they cut corners to get it to run well but that's never a bad thing if it is done well.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,035
I'm playing this on PC maxed out at 1440p with 150% res scaling and its hand down the best character models and animation I've ever seen. A huge step up over uncharted. Horizon etc. I do need to play metro though.
 
Oct 27, 2017
597
It looks aboutely 100% better than last year's Sony exclusives and about 200% better than Horizon which is already showing its age.
Dunno. I'm playing DMC5 as we speak. It looks excellent at 60fps. But Horizon, Spiderman and God of War were all much more impressive visually to me. Part of it might be their engines, but it doesn't help that DMC5 environments are very bland so far.
 
Feb 15, 2018
507
RDR2 is definitely debatable (and only on the 1X). However there is nothing that the PS4 exclusives have over this game.
I'd suggest you take off your fanboy googles and take a better look again

God of war looks like a next gen game compared to DMC5
 
Nov 2, 2017
7,847
User Warned: Console war rhetoric
Seems like OP just hypes up every high end mutliplatform game because he for some reason hates Sony.
 

s y

Member
Nov 8, 2017
2,404
You can view the cutscene model characters in the gallery mode. The SSS really makes a difference. Hopefully if a SE version comes out for next gen consoles we can get those version of the models in game.

The cutscene models look so incredible. The hair is so impressive.