Fun fact the original fate stay night was supposed to have more interactive gameplay elements which is why each of the servants have a stats page and the like. It was cut due to lack of budget and reducing project scope.
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Do you consider the Fate series as a video game franchise? Would you consider it for possible representation in Smash Bros?
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I haven't played Fate, but there are definitely two kinds of visual novels. Ones like Ace Attourney are obviously games, but then there are some that I've tried that have literally no branching or player input at all, beyond the ability to advance to the next line or save and quit.
That second category is only really a game in the way Candyland is a "game," which is to say it's presented in the same format as other games but without any player choice or input it's hard to see how it could actually be considered one.
Fate is definitely videogame material. Even more so as far as Japan is concerned, as they consider VNs with decision making and branching paths adventure games instead of novels. I don't think it has a chance though. It's fairly popular with multiple console games but it only really caught the mainstream eye with Grand Order and even that gets you blank stares from the majority of the gaming public if you ask them about it outside of Japan.
So yeah, as much as I love the franchise unless Sakurai spends all his non-existent free time whaling for them SSRs in FGO, I doubt it's even in the same room as the discussion table.
So yeah, as much as I love the franchise unless Sakurai spends all his non-existent free time whaling for them SSRs in FGO, I doubt it's even in the same room as the discussion table.
That's just a opinion. Personally I think Fate deserves it more than many other franchises. Fate is probably the best known VN ever created. It spawned a insanely popular mobile game, has multiple successful anime, manga and spinoff games (Extalla Link and Fate Extra are really good).
There are probably Fate products that aren't perfect but every franchise has its black sheeps. The Yakuza movie is not good, Yakuza dead souls isn't great either for example. That doesn't stop people from requesting Kazuma.
Even Banjo has only 2 games that are good, you can even argue the quality of Banjo 2
Wonder how many franchises currently in Smash people have said this about?
Honestly considering how popular Fate is a series in Japan (like it's everywhere), it is certaintly possible. But i am not putting an chips down on it
Fate isnt nearly as big with the Nintendo fanbase as the other 3rd party reps with the exception of maybe Snake. And even then Snake is from a franchise made by one of Sakurai's friends, I doubt Nasu has any friendship with Sakurai
Why isn't this the default art style for Fate GO?Good point, instead we should just add a character that isn't from a porn game, like Nero:
Or how about Mystery Heroine X
Or maybe saber's son, Mordred
Nah, we should gender bender saber and just add Arthur instead.
I'd actually tolerate playing it!
This aspect is really overblown IMO. Fate hasn't had porn for a long time and had even released clean version's of the VN's.
Uh huh. Be curious to see your data. Or why that matters unless you think there's a massive Nintendo fanbase for a series of games they don't have on Nintendo systems.
Why is this still being posted even though this statement has been debunked so many times?
You think Sakurai is going to add a rep from a franchise where newcomer to the series will start the VN to realize that one of the "steps" to transfer mana is to have sex?
Not gonna happen. He's walking into a minefield
And even if Sakurai was ok with that Nintendo would say no, they are very cautious about this stuff
I've come to learn to not have any limited expectations from Smash. Every time someone sets up some new rule of "it's impossible for this character to make it in", it gets broken.
Not saying Fate is likely or anything, but I'm not going to throw out "not going to happen" or "impossible" due to the history we've seen with this franchise. I remember when someone as sexual as Bayonetta was impossible, yet here we are. If it's a video game, then it has some chance of making it in at this point in some form. All I'm saying is that if one of the many Saberfaces were announced for Smash, I wouldn't be shocked. Though, I'd expect a Cygames rep if we ever got mobile characters in the game.
Also the all ages version of FSN exists, and that's the one that gets all the rereleases now. The only opposing thing with that is that it's not legally available in the west, but the mobile spinoff Fate Grand Order is.
There are clean version's of the VN's. No idea why this is a big deal.
Do you want to know how much crap goes on in Persona or Fire Emblem?
How about one of the most recent games to feature one of our most recent DLC characters?
Look up and watch an anime called Fate/Zero. If you like it, then you can seek out more from there, but it's all pretty much downhill from there if you ask me.
Again. Persona. Fire Emblem. SNK Heroines. Bayonetta.
Still new to Fate myself but I hear good things about Fate/Zero and Unlimited Blade Works.
There's a couple of Musou games on consoles and Fate Grand Order on mobile.
Fate still is trying to get by pretending that their characters are older than 18 of age in their disclaimers and the sex are still part of the series even if not graphic. If you get to the extended stuff like Illya then we're reaching full eyebrow raising
There are clean version's of the VN's. No idea why this is a big deal.
Do you want to know how much crap goes on in Persona or Fire Emblem?
How about one of the most recent games to feature one of our most recent DLC characters?
This is a minefield however you slice it. Trying to tie it to SNK Heroines in which the worst that happens is blatant sexualization and fanservice doesn't work because it isn't similar. Plus Terry Bogard is featured anyway not the SNK women (though I would have loved King), he's an icon that is MUCH bigger than this spin-off game.
I'll eat my joycon if this happens.
Yeah musou and mobile games aren't generally my thing, but I'll definitely check out the anime. Thanks.
Fate is terrible overall, I haven't played the VN and never plan to because it's a porn game but the fact that it's a porn game is why it shouldn't be featured in Smash. Bayonetta may be risque but the character is an adult and at least it's not straight up porn. I'll mention that at least some of the characters in the VN's porn scenes are not adults...
Come on, you know and I hope everyone knows, most people are talking about the original PC eroge VN and not the PS2 port that cleaned it up.I mean it's not but ok.
I feel you can say all of that about Fire Emblem nowadays. Just replace Illya with Nowi.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not denying that sex isn't a part of the series. It absolutely is, given the recent movie adaptions of Heavens Feel, and the PC versions of the original VN are still available technically.
I just won't put anything past Smash and Nintendo anymore. Now that we have an announcement for more DLC characters coming, I feel anything is on the table after Sakurai said that he wants to "add more worlds to Smash'. That sounds like we're getting more third parties. I don't even want Fate characters in the Smash either (unless it's Archer). I just feel this weird sense of deja vu every time people have a discussion on what can or cannot make it into Smash.
Third parties aren't possible: Snake and Sonic
That character is known as a "mascot" of a rival platform, impossible: Cloud
That character is way to sexual, vulgar, and violent: Bayonetta
That character isn't even in a Nintendo game (outside of a spinoff): Joker
A rival platform owns the rights, not happening: Banjo
This meme character isn't making it in: Sans (costume)
How many times do we have to do this? Nothing will surprise me anymore, unless its directly stated to be impossible by Nintendo or Sakurai themselves like Goku and Iron Man were. The only video game I would say is impossible is someone from Mortal Kombat, due to actually being banned in Japan, but even then, that's only the modern games, so who knows.
Fuck it, bring on Steve, Fortnite, and Touhou as well at this point.
So why does only that matter and not the massive franchise that spawned from it?
No one gives a shit about the porn version anymore except the pearl clutchers of the internet.
It's not what's getting animes and movies. It's not what's raking in the cash for the company.
Look I know that. My point is Nintendo also probably knows that but on the off chance someone brings it up, which will happen, they won't wanna deal with it. Because the fact of the matter is it's true. and That's sadly why it matters.
If we go for an japan appeal, Fate is one of the biggest moneymakers over there right now it seems so it could make sense.
Really don't think it will happen, but it would not be the most suprising announcement compared to the others out there ideas.
Really don't think it will happen, but it would not be the most suprising announcement compared to the others out there ideas.
You say that but we both know some troll on the internet once Saber or someone was announced would bring it up and then other trolls would champion it and it would snowball. Nintendo AVOIDS conflict no matter the type. They would never do this without due diligence.
No, It's just a bad game.
On a more serious note no, that's equivalent to any non-porn movie with a sex scene in it. It's accompanied by good writing and adult interaction that justifies the sex scenes, key word being adult. It's not sex scenes between minors that were only thrown in there because they were forced in. The second they allowed that shit to be put in there, even if it truly was forced upon them, they forfeited the right for the game to be considered a product people should support.
In case I didn't make it clear, SEX SCENES INVOLVING UNDERAGE CHARACTERS, though I'm sure they aged them up at some point so I guess it's all fine now.
And yet they let Bayonetta in.
So you just gonna ignore that aspect was removed in all future adaptations and releases?
How about the fact that Fire Emblem and Persona are already in Smash?
This is where I am too. Never played more than a minute of FGO but Saber's design is super cool
For the uniformed this is the ultra pornographic offensive design some people are so desperate to keep out.
They also made Bayonetta 2 and are making Bayonetta 3. What's the point you're trying to make? Bayonetta was never in an adult game and doesn't come from an adult game. The whole crux of the argument against it is that Saber and the like originate from an adult game. A game Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft, in its original form, would never allow on their platforms.
And then they did.
Fucking Agony is coming to Switch, no one important will care. Fate is a massive franchise now and it's past would haunt Nintendo no more then that time a porn artist drew one of the pokemon manga.
