The fact that something like Prisma Illya exists tells me those origins didn't go away too far
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Do you consider the Fate series as a video game franchise? Would you consider it for possible representation in Smash Bros?
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Fate is not longer hentai but the feelings for it don't come out of nowhere for no reason.
Top is from Fate Stay Night, the game that eventually removed the hentai while bottom is FGO/Extra CC. Nasu and Takeuchi removed the designs for integrity or whatever but the thing is that ecchi is far more profitable and such designs increased ten fold once the series no longer contained hentai.
The image probably should include Muramasa to compare with Emiya but it's still not like the guy is ever coming out and it's funny that his design didn't increase the ecchi much like Cu Alter.
Top is from Fate Stay Night, the game that eventually removed the hentai while bottom is FGO/Extra CC. Nasu and Takeuchi removed the designs for integrity or whatever but the thing is that ecchi is far more profitable and such designs increased ten fold once the series no longer contained hentai.
The image probably should include Muramasa to compare with Emiya but it's still not like the guy is ever coming out and it's funny that his design didn't increase the ecchi much like Cu Alter.
What if...Saber is like Pokemon Trainer, but instead of switching between alts, you are actually switching between classes? (Shirou being the "Trainer")
Also instead of being refered to as Saber, she will be refered to as Arturia.
It could work. At the least the character won't be just stuck being another swordfighter.
Being a porn VN doesn't make it not a VN which is a videogame. I didn't know this was up for debate. It's no different than Pokemon
If we're discounting series because of ecchi then Persona, Fire Emblem, Fatal Fury, Xenoblade, and Bayonetta shouldn't be here.Fate is not longer hentai but the feelings for it don't come out of nowhere for no reason.
Top is from Fate Stay Night, the game that eventually removed the hentai while bottom is FGO/Extra CC. Nasu and Takeuchi removed the designs for integrity or whatever but the thing is that ecchi is far more profitable and such designs increased ten fold once the series no longer contained hentai.
The image probably should include Muramasa to compare with Emiya but it's still not like the guy is ever coming out and it's funny that his design didn't increase the ecchi much like Cu Alter.
Nowi is bad but no official Nowi art would get me permanently banned from this forum if I posted them like it would for some of the garbage in Prisma Illya...
Ehhhhhh especially with fgo being a thing I doubt she'll come alongside Shirou.
What I'm imagining is Hero like situation with Arturia, Nero, Alter and maybe Heorine X?, Lily?, Mordred? etc alts.
So using the Saber title for multiple characters really.
To be fair, I haven't seen any of the OVA and it's far, far from my favorite Fate franchise but even Anime News Network gave the latest season a B. Thats not exactly a bad grade.
Other series I don't remember having that much fan services. Zero and unlimited blade work don't have any. Extra and Fate/Apocryphal are mostly clean as well.
The fanservice nowadays mostly comes from Saber figures. The same kind of figures Fire Emblem characters are getting
Maybe Nintendo would call her Artoria/Arturia over here and thus force FGO Global to get rid of that dumb Altria name.
Illya is perhaps the worst out of all the fate series with amount of creepy stuff it does.
even worse than the original vn.
I dont want a series whose only games are rooted in eroge, gambling, and bad art to be considered a good gaming franchise.
Apocrypha has Jack the Ripper which is far and away the worst thing fate has literally ever made
Yes. Because clearly the Fate Extra, Fate Extella and Capcom fighting game do not count.
This looked far cooler in my head when I read your post then after seeing the actual game. For some reason I imagined a CPS3-style third strike fate game
I dunno about worst but it yeah it's pretty bad and Apocrypha also had its fair of fanservice. Average in terms of anime but it's absolutely not mild unless you're desensitized to it.
Fate is not bigger than Smash, stop it. The whole metric you're using is revenue too, which isn't an accurate representation of popularity at all
First of all, its super niche outside of Japan. Secondly, I did a cursory Google, and all i found was that F/GO was downloaded 30 mil+ times, and grossed 3bn. For comparison, Pokemon GO was downloaded 1 Bil+ times, and grossed over 3bn. All this tells me is that Fate is being propped up by whales, big time
The fact that Mario Kart Tour already has 3x as many downloads as fate's biggest property should say it all, really.
lol at the idea that Smash needs Fate in anyway
I'm not saying that ecchi makes it impossible to be added but why people don't like Fate even if it isn't longer hentai.
Even just mentioning those IPs it doesn't makes it more attractive when you have crossing line designs like Jack the Ripper, summer Helena, Abigail Williams 2nd/3rd ascensions.
I remember Apocrypha being kinda bland.
I'm hoping Grand order is going to be good.
It's literally the best selling fighting game of all time and hasn't even been out a year. Am I being trolled?
This has to be bait, how is Fate more popular than Pokemon and Mario. They recently announced a 2nd season of dlc characters because they must be bringing in bank, not to mention free publicity.
from your own link
The guy I quoted is acting like fate is some Pokemon/Mario/DBZ/CoD/GTA tier franchise, when its just whales
Do you realize that 97% from that revenue comes from Japan?
Monster Strike for Smash! It even has an upcoming Switch exclusive.
I'm not even a Fate fan I just think the gatekeeping is weird.
Saying it's bigger then Smash is to much though.
We have a thread talking about Smash "rules" and I posted in there suggesting guidlines instead of rules. I bring this up because I think the guideline of "must have a good relation to Nintendo" is relevant here.
Fate has a stronger relation to Sony than Nintendo.
So it doesn't really feel like it belongs in Smash. I think some people present Smash as some kind of validation which is weird. Not every major game IP has to be in Smash. Nintendo should focus on including third party IPs that fit Smash and Nintendo more than just gunning for whats popular. Joker (representing Atlus), Dragon Quest Hero and Banjo are all great choices with a history.
Fate has a stronger relation to Sony than Nintendo.
So it doesn't really feel like it belongs in Smash. I think some people present Smash as some kind of validation which is weird. Not every major game IP has to be in Smash. Nintendo should focus on including third party IPs that fit Smash and Nintendo more than just gunning for whats popular. Joker (representing Atlus), Dragon Quest Hero and Banjo are all great choices with a history.
Again, I want to say I'm not a Fate fan, but it definitely has just as much of a relationship with Nintendo while also being a Sony franchise that Persona does.
Dang, i knew pachinko machines made money over there, but that is still quite a number.
That's why I decided to edit in that Joker is representing Atlus. I don't think Joker would be in Smash if Atlus did not have the relationship they have with Nintendo.
Fate is not longer hentai but the feelings for it don't come out of nowhere for no reason.
Top is from Fate Stay Night, the game that eventually removed the hentai while bottom is FGO/Extra CC. Nasu and Takeuchi removed the designs for integrity or whatever but the thing is that ecchi is far more profitable and such designs increased ten fold once the series no longer contained hentai.
The image probably should include Muramasa to compare with Emiya but it's still not like the guy is ever coming out and it's funny that his design didn't increase the ecchi much like Cu Alter.
Girls got rackked. Guy got... Black?????
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FGO is everywhere in Japan, and it is not just otakus that are playing the game. It got so big that the characters are used to advertise the books that they originate from.
Hokusai herself even showed up in the Odaiba water show when they were doing an event celebrating the real life Hokusai.
In short, Saber getting into Smash won't cause any controversy like some posters here think she would.
FSN Illya is fine but Illya anime Illya is oh god shot me now please wtf.
FGO is everywhere in Japan, and it is not just otakus that are playing the game. It got so big that the characters are used to advertise the books that they originate from.
Hokusai herself even showed up in the Odaiba water show when they were doing an event celebrating the real life Hokusai.
In short, Saber getting into Smash won't cause any controversy like some posters here think she would.
Japan isnt the only country in the world. It isnt even near 50% of the smash audience
That user specifically brought up Japan just so you know, which is why I made that post. As for the west, even among the Fate fanbase in the west only a small minority have played the visual novels. More people are gonna complain about Saber being another sword user than about the sex scenes in her game. At worst people will just laugh at how horrible the dialogue is.
Ace Attorney was a groundbreaking VN that opened the floodgates to the west. Fate could be bigger than Microsoft it wouldn't change the fact that Ace Attorney has done more for the genre and has had a bigger artistic impact than anything Fate has built thus far.
It also actually has a faithful Nintendo presence and is a part of the history of those systems. Also it's mostly family friendly which is an added bonus
You're looking at AA through some serious rose tinted glasses. I like AA and have far more experience with it then Fate but I frankly think any impact on the genre it has is minimal at best. We can't even guarantee a release of all the games over here but you're trying to claim it deserves representation more then a company that could be hypothetically bigger then Microsoft.
It's ok to want Ace Attorney more then Fate but let's not get crazy now.
(looks at Bayonetta and Joker)
I really like Fate/Zero, but every time I am reminded of the truly labyrinthine depths of Fate GO and the Nasuverse at large it terrifies me to no end.
