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Hailinel

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Oct 27, 2017
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Fate is clearly a multimedia franchise as stated in Wikipedia which has various content in many sectors and the majority of the content is related to the anime and manga industries but it also has significant presence in the gaming industry. It is definitely not a game franchise exclusively as its main representation is in other media.

Amount of Fate Anime series and movies: 30+ and keeps growing
Amount of Fate Manga & Light Novels: 40+ and keeps growing
Amount of Fate Games: About 15 and that's if you count the arcade version of Grand Order
Amount of Fate Clothes & Merchandise - entire chains of thousands of them accross the world

Now about popularity, Fate is one of the highest grossing franchises of all time and the revenue it makes is more than the majority of the franchises in Smash Ultimate. Grand Order alone makes more money than any franchise in Smash has ever made in a game, so arguing about if it could be in Smash based on popularity is ridiculous since it is more iconic than most other series. Smash even has decades old and dead franchises such as Castlevania and Banzoo Kazooie which don't even exist anymore so of course Fate is eligible which is part of a lot more generations.

About sexual content, Smash already broke that limit with series such as Bayonetta and Persona which both have highly sexual content with the latter one even including suggestive rape and pedophilia in Persona 5 yet it was allowed to be sold on the PSN store regardless, Fate only had 1 scene in 1 game out of the thousands of media it has produced and even that game was remade later so that is not a problem at all.

Fate is clearly a really huge franchise, Type-Moon is a major corporation and it also has history with Nintendo with the Fate/ Extella series along with other projects, also Saber is the most requested character in Japan.

In the end, Fate does not even need Smash despite being the most potential franchise for it, its Smash that needs Fate to sell more copies for the Nintendo Switch since fighting games never last long, most players have already moved on and in addition that Smash is limited to only 1 platform that most of the gaming audience does not even have access to, it really needs all the representation possible.
The Fate fandom has logged on.
 

Horohorohoro

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Jan 28, 2019
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Visual novels are games and that's what Fate/Stay Night originally was. Fate/Grand Order is a mobile game, which is also a game, and it's one of the most popular gachas ever. I think it'd be fine if it gets into Smash.
 

Onix555

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Apr 23, 2019
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They should put Shirou into Smash and let him use every weapon in the game.

And of course, they need a remixed version of EMIYA for his theme.
 

Horohorohoro

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Jan 28, 2019
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What's the first exposure you get to Bayonetta in Bayonetta 1? Her clothes ripping off and her pole dancing while the game plays moaning sounds. Bayo 2? Her quite literally riding (with close-ups of her crotch) on top of an enemy or something like that. Obviously Fate has more overt sexuality but at this point I don't really think it's as big of a deal considering who's in Smash. I don't think it's GOING to happen, I just think the reasoning for why people think it isn't is stupid.
 

Gold Arsene

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Oct 27, 2017
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What's the first exposure you get to Bayonetta in Bayonetta 1? Her clothes ripping off and her pole dancing while the game plays moaning sounds. Bayo 2? Her quite literally riding (with close-ups of her crotch) on top of an enemy or something like that. Obviously Fate has more overt sexuality but at this point I don't really think it's as big of a deal considering who's in Smash. I don't think it's GOING to happen, I just think the reasoning for why people think it isn't is stupid.
You get the clothes cut off and moaning in Bayo 2 as well.

And don't forget the Joy's torture attacks.
 
Feb 9, 2019
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Is Game of Thrones also garbage because the TV series has people banging like it's going out of style? Are From Software and Elden Ring doomed by associating themselves with a porn writer like GRRM?
 

RPGam3r

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Oct 27, 2017
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I consider it a game series, much like Pokemon. I don't think it would make smash though.

And holy shit some of y'all coming in pretty strong on the defense of the franchise, we get it you like it.
 
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Saber should totally be in Smash, she's easily one of the most iconic characters in gaming/anime and we need more women in the game as well.
 

Dreamboum

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Not similar at ALL. Fatal Fury isn't like Fate and you know the reasons why already. The series doesn't feature H-scenes, end of the story.
 

Gold Arsene

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Oct 27, 2017
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I consider it a game series, much like Pokemon. I don't think it would make smash though.

And holy shit some of y'all coming in pretty strong on the defense of the franchise, we get it you like it.
I imagine havig a series you like being called awful and dismissed as porn doesn't sit well with a lot of people.
Should probably pick a character that's actually historically a woman then.
Why does that matter exactly?

Saber is a woman, end of story.
 

Hercule

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Jun 20, 2018
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Did you ever play Fire Emblem? Because even FE Heroes doesnt go as low as most of Fates games/animes go
I don't recall "most Fates games/anime going as low".

I have seen all fate anime from the OG Fate to the (underrated) Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya. None of them contain any outrageous fan service.

Most of the Fate spinoff games also don't contain low stuff. Fate Tigger, The PSP/PS2 fighting game, Fate Extra and the Fate Extalla games are pretty mild
 

Gold Arsene

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Oct 27, 2017
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lmao at the anime avatars actually thinking shit like this has a chance.
What an insightful comment.

Exactly why do you think this is so outrages exactly? I don't think it's incredibly likely but I also know I've been told of several characters who "had no chance" who are now in Smash so if you don't mind please share.

Or just keep insulting people that works too.
 

OrakioRob

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not super into anime, but I watch some stuff every now and then. Last month, I finally watched a Fate anime (Fate Apocrypha on Netflix) and really liked it. Very entertaining.

I don't think it belongs in Smash, though. Not even because of the sexual stuff, I just think it feels kind of alien in a game like this. Maybe because I haven't played any of the games, so it feels like an anime to me. That said, it would be super cool to have a Fate game based on Smash.
 

Sea lion

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What an insightful comment.

Exactly why do you think this is so outrages exactly? I don't think it's incredibly likely but I also know I've been told of several characters who "had no chance" who are now in Smash so if you don't mind please share.

Or just keep insulting people that works too.
The series is heavily associated with Hentai.
Thats why.

Don't compare it to Bayonetta because it crosses a whole new line.

Although seeing as your avatar is of a high school girl in leotard its easy to see why your thought process is far removed.
 

Kewlmyc

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Oct 25, 2017
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I honestly don't want Saber in the game, but I'm starting to want it just to see how people on this forum would react.
 

Mark1

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Oct 30, 2017
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Don't think it's ever something to rule out unless your origins are from outside of gaming (like anime, movies, comics, etc)

With how Ultimate has been playing out so far with newcomers, they'd would have to be very unique cases to not be possible in Smash.
So it's unlikely to be a problem if a character originated from a video game.

(And I'd still count Sora from Kingdom Hearts as a possibility despite the Disney connection)
 

Regulus Tera

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Oct 25, 2017
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You can't argue for Phoenix Wright to be included but decide that Fate does not deserve to have a rep. Visual novels are video games.
 

Gold Arsene

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The series is heavily associated with Hentai.
Thats why.

Don't compare it to Bayonetta because it crosses a whole new line.

Although seeing as your avatar is of a high school girl in leotard its easy to see why your thought process is far removed.
Ah so you choose insults. How very petty of you.

I also don't think it's "heavily associated with hentai" as when I first heard of it was the anime. It's most profitable piece of media is a mobile game.

But you clearly just want to make snide jabs at anyone you disagree with so I guess we're done here.
 

Horohorohoro

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Jan 28, 2019
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Like I've said, I don't even really think it's a possibility and I don't really care for the series much at all, but apparently saying anything at all to defend the franchise from people making dumb ludicrous statements about it is only going to get me insulted so I'm out. ✌
 

TimeFire

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Nov 26, 2017
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The series is heavily associated with Hentai.
Thats why.

Don't compare it to Bayonetta because it crosses a whole new line.

Although seeing as your avatar is of a high school girl in leotard its easy to see why your thought process is far removed.

The series is heavily associated with mobile gaming more than hentai, to be honest. I think only the first release of the first game had H-scenes
 

Kuro

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Oct 25, 2017
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Holy shit the salt in here over Fate is off the charts. Calling it a hentai series... just lol. Like Zelda, Metroid, FE, Bayo, etc don't have a fuck ton of porno fanart.

Such an odd thing to get hanged up on. Fate hasn't had straight up hentai since its first limited VN release that was later edited with its larger re-release. No hentai since then unless you consider any kind of sexual content porn.

Smash would be fine adding Saber, Rin, or Archer. I don't think it will happen at all though.
 

Kewlmyc

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Oct 25, 2017
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Holy shit the salt in here over Fate is off the charts. Calling it a hentai series... just lol. Like Zelda, Metroid, FE, Bayo, etc don't have a fuck ton of porno fanart.

Such an odd thing to get hanged up on. Fate hasn't had straight up hentai since its first limited VN release that was later edited with its larger re-release. No hentai since then unless you consider any kind of sexual content porn.

Smash would be fine adding Saber, Rin, or Archer. I don't think it will happen at all though.
To be fair, having a ton of unoffical porno fanart =/= starting off as an 18+ eroge game.

At this point however, the series is far removed from it and is a $3 billion seller.
 

MegaXZero

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Jun 21, 2018
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Because Saber is tainted by the porn game origin, it's clear the better choice for Smash is Nero.
 

ZKenir

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Mar 31, 2018
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The series is heavily associated with salt, a metric ton of it.

Also the Smash character should be RiyoGudako.

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Kuro

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just add in Kiritsugu Emiya as a reskinned Solid Snake who can stop time. That way we don't get another sword user.

If it did happen it would totally be Saber though. No way it wouldn't be her.
 

Zarckoh

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't recall "most Fates games/anime going as low".

I have seen all fate anime from the OG Fate to the (underrated) Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya. None of them contain any outrageous fan service.

Most of the Fate spinoff games also don't contain low stuff. Fate Tigger, The PSP/PS2 fighting game, Fate Extra and the Fate Extalla games are pretty mild

LMAO comparing Fire Emblem with the series with lolis kissing and heavy moaning.

This is fucking rich. Even worse when you consider the marketing materials.
 

Col.Asher

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Nov 10, 2017
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Yea it's a video game franchise but it can have it's own fighter at this point. Hell, every character can be saber.
 

Hercule

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Jun 20, 2018
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LMAO comparing Fire Emblem with the series with lolis kissing and heavy moaning.

This is fucking rich. Even worse when you consider the marketing materials.
Have you actually seen that series? Especially the later seasons are much darker than you might think.

Seems like a lot of people do not like it simply because it's a magical girl series.
 

Kuro

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Oct 25, 2017
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Have you actually seen that series? Especially the later seasons are much darker than you might think.

Seems like a lot of people do not like it simply because it's a magical girl series.
Stop trying to promote that shit. People don't like it because it's creepy Lolicon shit.