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I think we'll have to agree to disagree, we're not going to convince each other on most of these points.
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Do you count Borderlands in the same bracket as games like Warframe, Destiny, The Division, Anthem, etc...?
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree, we're not going to convince each other on most of these points.
No. It's a single/co-op shooter, with a long campaign. It doesn't have daily/weekly missions and I think most people never farm: they do a complete playthrought and then, maybe, a new game plus, but they don't fight the same boss multiple times in the same playthrought.
For me, it's more like Halo, Gears of War or BioShock.
For me, it's more like Halo, Gears of War or BioShock.
I worry about the campaign. If gearbox can spread their resources well enough they can have their cake and eat it too, though. These games frequently struggle the most with campaigns and a lack of content at launch (though tbf to destiny 2 lack of content wasn't its biggest problem necessarily). Barring nefarious reasons, I'm guessing this happens because all the other systems involved in creating an MMO-lite experience probably change these types of devs traditionally are use to structuring their games from a technical and user experience standpoint.
But modern entries in Halo and Gears of war have Weekly/daily missions and don't do the level up or gear thing. It's a stretch to say that Borderlands is more like Halo and bioshock than it is like Destiny. And I've totally farmed for equipment in Borderlands, that's like half the point fo the game.
No. Borderlands itemization is much too poor to compare to any of those games.
Also, none of them (IIRC, because after Borderlands 2 I stopped following the franchise) are GaaS.
They're quirky games that rely on pop culture references as a substitute for humor with some of the worse loot tables out of all Diablo inspired action rpgs. But they're not persistent iLevel grinds like recent MMO inspired constantly-updated shooters.
Also, none of them (IIRC, because after Borderlands 2 I stopped following the franchise) are GaaS.
They're quirky games that rely on pop culture references as a substitute for humor with some of the worse loot tables out of all Diablo inspired action rpgs. But they're not persistent iLevel grinds like recent MMO inspired constantly-updated shooters.
many people definitely do this as specific bosses/enemies drop certain equipment. Which can make raid bosses easier
I played the borderlands games single player and enjoyed them.
I'm currently playing the "campaign" in the division. I'm enjoying that as well, however the game does let you know that you really are playing the appetizer rather than the main course and that playing it alone isn't really what they intended . Same with destiny. I know borderlands should be played co-op, but it's less in your face about it if you don't.
Personally I prefer borderlands approach as the quests are slightly less repetitive and the campaigns feel like real things rather than training for some end-game.
I'm currently playing the "campaign" in the division. I'm enjoying that as well, however the game does let you know that you really are playing the appetizer rather than the main course and that playing it alone isn't really what they intended . Same with destiny. I know borderlands should be played co-op, but it's less in your face about it if you don't.
Personally I prefer borderlands approach as the quests are slightly less repetitive and the campaigns feel like real things rather than training for some end-game.
The only difference is that you don't get auto matched in a common instance with randoms. Otherwise they are the same genre.
I killed Crawmerax far more times than Atheon and I ran v0g many, many times. Shit, I'd load into the Knoxx DLC, run around kill a bunch of mobs, drive over to Crawmerax and kill her 5-7 times then glitch into the Armory. Quit and repeat. Almost always solo.
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Not the same in my head mainly because Borderlands does not have the shared world /public event that is in Destiny or The Division. It's more focused on co-op stuff.
but that's what it is, a derivation of software-as-a-service, which is a regular business term. what would be a better name? live service games?
Unfortunately this misconception is only going to grow over time as more and more people have less direct interaction with big, standalone DLC releases that used to be relatively common.
I didn't know for Halo and Gears, sorry. But BioShock has a level system and it's not comparable to Destiny.
I understand the comparison between Borderlands and Diablo, but between Borderlands and Destiny/The Division? Borderlands doesn't have raids, doesn't have a real PvP system (you can do some 1v1 in game, but the first to shot win), doesn't have weekly/daily missions... It's a traditional single/multiplayer open world shooter, not even a real game as a service.
Many people, for sure, but a small percentage of players.
And how many percent of players killed Crawmerax, at least one time? I don't say no one farm, I say most people don't.
They lack an emphasis on the online aspect and some of current forms to keep players engaged - like the grind for materials, crafting and so on. But most of the general elements where already there (specially with Borderlands 2), with huge post launch support with free and paid updates, several optional bosses designed to be repeatedly taken as a team, scaling difficulty levels, and of course, the loot.
So it lacks some of the elements specially in regards to long term support and player retention, but I think it has more in common than not with the current crop of games, specially in the gameplay loops.
And I have not played so I can't comment too much, but does Anthem have a social hub?
So it lacks some of the elements specially in regards to long term support and player retention, but I think it has more in common than not with the current crop of games, specially in the gameplay loops.
And I have not played so I can't comment too much, but does Anthem have a social hub?
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It does, but it's very tiny and not somewhere people will want to hang out in its current state.
You unlock it during the campaign.
1/5 people beat a raid in Destiny 1 on PSN. I'd imagine there were people who got their raid completion with CE, not v0g. I would gather the numbers to actually be very similar percentage wise. People absolutely farm bosses in BL.
Anthem doesn't have PVP at all, and Bioshock's "level" system is incomparable to Borderlands. Borderlands has a branching tree system which is very similiar to Destiny. Destiny is basically using a Borderlands-lite level-up system, Borderlands is using a diablo-lite level up system.
GAAS doesn't actually mean all that much in terms of game structure. The difference between Destiny and Borderlands is one is a GAAS Shlooter the other is a co-op season pass based shlooter.
Ummmm, a lot actually. Well over a million people. As borderlands 2 has sold well over 10 million and the trophy "thresher thrashed" has a unlock rate of 12.2%. And he's one of the hardest raid bosses in the game. The raid boss of tiny tina has a completion rate of 6.7%. And that's only from people who synced their trophies online. So it's higher than that
Nah, Borderlands is more like Diablo than anythng. Absolutely fantastic story with characters you actually care about and loot driven co-op experience. No shared world bullshit, no absurd GaaS monetization, no shitty limited time events or items, the DLC and updates actually have content.
Your point?
Dunno about GoW 4, but MKX is not a GaaS game, in fact it ceased getting new content long ago, it's a game with DLC, it's different from a full on GaaS like anthem and destiny and the rest, and Borderlands is different too, Borderlands even has much less MTX than those 3 examples too! Borderlands games just got expansions and that's about it.
Gearbox does have a GaaS game, it's called Battleborn and just comparing that game with Borderlands you'll understand the difference.
Big NO.
I don't play online. I played Borderlands 1 & 2 offline and liked them a lot, but I don't want at all play any of those other games.
I don't play online. I played Borderlands 1 & 2 offline and liked them a lot, but I don't want at all play any of those other games.
IIRC Borderlands has no actual cosmetics other than whatever stupid ass guns you get?
To me, the dressup is part of the equation of those games. Making my character LOOK more powerful because they've gotten better gear or unique sets and stuff is a part of the genre.
9/10 items that you equip just being stat sticks is lame as hell
To me, the dressup is part of the equation of those games. Making my character LOOK more powerful because they've gotten better gear or unique sets and stuff is a part of the genre.
9/10 items that you equip just being stat sticks is lame as hell
I do. Mechanically, Borderlands very much feels like the prototype for those other games. When Destiny 1 launched, Borderlands was pretty much all I could think to compare it to.
When and if Borderlands 3 comes out I'm fairly certain it will take a lot of cues from the current loot shooter market.
When and if Borderlands 3 comes out I'm fairly certain it will take a lot of cues from the current loot shooter market.
Is that a term we are trying to make happen? Because we shouldn't 🤣
BL1 and 2 had cosmetics. It was mostly different color pallets and heads though, and they weren't tied to stats.
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there's no Shared world, there was just a co op option in a campaign game
And "raids" for BL just meant harder enemies. groups of 4 is the regular co op content, groups of 4 is the raid content.
one part of the definition of raids from every other game in existence is more than the regular party size
yeah I remember it was basically "do I want to be the green brick or the blue brick" and that doesn't count to me
That's kind of where i'm at. I would play Borderlands anyday of the week over every other game listed.
Battleborn cannot be played off line. Even if you're doing the campaign Solo you need to be connected to the server.
I 100% agree with you.
I saw a thread with that before and couldn't help myself
No. It's not online only, it's not GaaS. It's closer to Diablo than any of those.
BL3 might move closer to those, though, BL2 came out before this MMO-lite GaaS shooter craze started
BL3 might move closer to those, though, BL2 came out before this MMO-lite GaaS shooter craze started
The biggest difference is that Borderlands was built from the ground up to be a complete, self contained game. You're not reliant on an internet connection to either make the game "complete" nor play it "properly"
Although most would say co-op is the ideal way to play, the game plays absolutely fine solo, it doesn't feel like you're short changing yourself by playing alone and the game scales up when players are added as opposed to making life difficult for solo players. Then there's the second wind system that allows the solo player to revive themself instead of needing a friend.
The additional content felt like just that, additional, there were no gaps in the game that were filled in later. The Borderlands DLC was far more akin to an old school expansion like The Witcher 3 add-ons. It was stuff you could invest more time and money into if you wanted more.
They share similar dna, but the Borderlands series has so much more respect for the player in letting you play as you want instead of corralling you into the way the developer wants you to play, i.e, getting you stuck on a loot treadmill with other players in order to extract more money from you.
Although most would say co-op is the ideal way to play, the game plays absolutely fine solo, it doesn't feel like you're short changing yourself by playing alone and the game scales up when players are added as opposed to making life difficult for solo players. Then there's the second wind system that allows the solo player to revive themself instead of needing a friend.
The additional content felt like just that, additional, there were no gaps in the game that were filled in later. The Borderlands DLC was far more akin to an old school expansion like The Witcher 3 add-ons. It was stuff you could invest more time and money into if you wanted more.
They share similar dna, but the Borderlands series has so much more respect for the player in letting you play as you want instead of corralling you into the way the developer wants you to play, i.e, getting you stuck on a loot treadmill with other players in order to extract more money from you.
Some games become cult classic without scoring high on meta scoring sites. Last Gen I would dragon dogma was also such a title.
