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Doctor Who Series 12 |OT| Spyfall Is Where We Start
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The difference here is that there's an on-screen story that was built around that barn, including a 12th Doctor story that showed the Doctor as a young boy on Gallifrey crying in a shed.
"He'll never be a Time Lord" the make guardian says
It wasn't a false memory as Clara was actually there but somehow Chibnall decided it's incompatible with his vision of The Timeless Child. it's also contrary to the watcher time lady from the end of time.
there was a natural unknown regeneration that happened for War Doctor because 8 never got more than a TV movie and we never saw the regeneration until we did.
This shit came out of nowhere and makes no narrative sense.
I think in Chibnall's world the Doctor somehow regenerates into a kid after living for possibly hundreds or thousands of years
Name of the Doctor was the worst finale until The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos topped it. There's enough that I enjoyed about The Timeless Children that I'd still rank it higher too. Mostly carried by the Master.
Kinda weird that any other lives before Hartnell would go by The Doctor. Ruth Doctor has to be before otherwise she would remember Jodie and she still interacts with the Timelords.
If memories were erased, why would the kid that grew into our current doctor have preciously ended up with the same title, morals etc.
It would be interesting to touch on previous lives where they are atypical of the doctors morals.
It's kinda lame how long lived and integrated the doctors past is now. How does the doc reconcile living forever? They have been critical of that before.
I also dunno if I'm on board with the Timelords being a fabricated race. And the fact that they are utterly destroyed forever it seems. How do you rebuild the race/Gallifrey? I guess can just make up some ppl werent there..
If memories were erased, why would the kid that grew into our current doctor have preciously ended up with the same title, morals etc.
It would be interesting to touch on previous lives where they are atypical of the doctors morals.
It's kinda lame how long lived and integrated the doctors past is now. How does the doc reconcile living forever? They have been critical of that before.
I also dunno if I'm on board with the Timelords being a fabricated race. And the fact that they are utterly destroyed forever it seems. How do you rebuild the race/Gallifrey? I guess can just make up some ppl werent there..
If the story of Brendan is to be believed and the Doctor's memories were wiped after they served the Division across many regenerations, it's entirely possible the Time Lords forced a specific type of regeneration on them, turning them into a child, much like when the Eighth Doctor forced his regeneration into the War Doctor.
The child that Clara met would then be Hartnell's Doctor, shortly after the Time Lords redacted their memories and dumped them in the middle of nowhere.
JJ, despite not having an original bone in his body, at least gave us some cool Star Wars moments in The Force Awakens
feels like Chibnall decided he didn't like the time lords, so he killed them all off and made it so the Doctor isn't actually a time lord, so he gets to make his own original-aliens-do-not-steal from the other universe that can be where the Doctor's REALLY from
The thing is I have no idea who could potentially take over Chibnall as head writer. None of the current writers the show has enlisted has really stood out
Jamie Mathieson always impressed me. Shame he never got the nod; maybe just not enough experience?
They pretty clearly wanted to hire a SHOWRUNNER as head writer, and Mathieson as far as I know hasn't run a show yet.
This is probably part of the problem - the talents necessary to run a show and the talents necessary to write one don't always overlap, and it takes a very special kind of writer to be able to do both. Maybe they need a showrunner and a head writer working in tandem.
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I know Hell Bent kind of gets a short shrift around these parts, but I'd really recommend everyone reading this blog post on Giga Who, posted before The Timeless Children aired, basically looking back at Hell Bent and the Hybrid arc and how it works by purposefully avoiding a set definition: https://gigawho.wordpress.com/2020/...nd-everything-will-change-forever-more-again/
It kind of highlights my point that where Chibnall seems content to just pour a load of lore out on a script and be done with it, Moffat would often tease fanwanky lore stuff but then subvert it entirely in service of character.
Ok I just watched that episode with Ruth and boy did she outshine Jodie by a mile!
But after reading what you all told me I really fear for this show....chibnall doesn't seem to know what's canon and is just throwing shit at the wall.
Doctor who really did finish with Capaldi for me.
But after reading what you all told me I really fear for this show....chibnall doesn't seem to know what's canon and is just throwing shit at the wall.
Doctor who really did finish with Capaldi for me.
Moffat had said many times that Chibnall, Gatiss, and Whithouse's scripts were the only ones he didn't touch, because they were already good, whereas he fixed the scripts of most of the other writers. With Gatiss uninterested, it was always going to be Chibnall or Whithouse. Whithouse blew his chance away with The Game, while Chibnall had a massive success with Broadchurch so...
I hope next series to be Chibnall's last, the show then can rest a few years and return in full creative force taking Dollard, Mathieson, and Harness back on board.
Since watching the finale I've been reading up on the old 7th Doctor/New Adventures Gallifrey backstory. They actually have the whole "The Doctor has a previous life before the 1st" in common, but they approach it very differently.
Oh totally.
I don't mind that the Doctor is credited with the functional immortality of the Time Lords since Rassilon is credited with their time travel technology, but the execution of it is horrible. The Doctor didn't give the Time Lords their immortality, the Time Lords stole it and then used the Doctor as a puppet for the Division to alter history as they desired?
I mean, we actually don't know for certain that she was forced, nor do we know what the Doctor's thoughts on the matter at all were.
Tweetnotes: Doctor Who — The Timeless Children
An audience held captive while exposition is given to them for 45 minutes.
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Tweetnotes: Doctor Who — The Timeless Children
An audience held captive while exposition is given to them for 45 minutes.
Thanks for posting this, it was a wonderful breakdown of the issues with the episode along with ideas of what they could have done better. Just splendid.
Bradley Walsh to quit Doctor Who after this year's Christmas special
EXCLUSIVE: Bradley Walsh will quit Doctor Who along with co-star Tosin Cole after this year’s festive special as Jodie Whittaker’s Time Lord battles the Daleks
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Bradley Walsh and Tosin Cole exiting the show after the Christmas special. Mandip Gill is returning as Yaz next season.
Bradley Walsh to quit Doctor Who after this year's Christmas special
EXCLUSIVE: Bradley Walsh will quit Doctor Who along with co-star Tosin Cole after this year’s festive special as Jodie Whittaker’s Time Lord battles the Daleks
Bradley Walsh and Tosin Cole exiting the show after the Christmas special. Mandip Gill is returning as Yaz next season.
For the love of god, please let it be just the Doctor and Yaz for a bit.
Yeah, Ellard's tweet notes are offering a good insight of what's the show is doing wrong.Tweetnotes: Doctor Who — The Timeless Children
An audience held captive while exposition is given to them for 45 minutes.
El Sandifer's weekly Eruditorum reviews, while less "technical", are also good.
If next series is Whittaker's last, I wonder if Yaz will stay for a fourth season to provide a smooth transition between Doctors, like Clara and Rose did.
Or maybe she could leave with Whittaker and they could introduce a secondary companion mid-season.
Ever notice how often people refer to Thirteen as "Jodie's Doctor", but no one ever calls Ten "David's Doctor"?
Hartnel! Baker! McCoy! Eccleston! Hurt! Smith! Capaldi! Moffat! Chibnall!
Jodie.
Funny, that.
Hartnel! Baker! McCoy! Eccleston! Hurt! Smith! Capaldi! Moffat! Chibnall!
Jodie.
Funny, that.
2nd companion who stays on while Yaz leaves. I prefer overlapping companions like the classic series but back then they didn't need to worry about season arcs and marketing I guess.
I've heard Smith's Doctor and Capaldi's Doctor before. Generally they were from earlier days when people were still trying to get a hold on the new interpretation.
Smith and Capaldi, not Matt and Peter. That's the difference. I have seen people say Whittaker but it's less common.
I agree, but their inventor is an egomaniac so...
Fantastic write up.Tweetnotes: Doctor Who — The Timeless Children
An audience held captive while exposition is given to them for 45 minutes.
I don't mind. I said earlier in the thread that they've wasted Mandip Gill, so it'll be good to focus on her for a bit. They've made much better use of Bradley Walsh.
I don't think Tosin Cole is a good actor so I'm alright with him leaving.
Hmm, the usual situation is after three series, The actor/actress playing The Doctor looks to bow out.
I wonder if we'll get a series of specials or if we'll get one more series and then another festive special with that special being the regeneration episode at the same time.
I'd go with the latter, seems to be more the norm.
I can only hope Chibnall goes as well and we can move on from this mostly mess of an era in Who.
I wonder if we'll get a series of specials or if we'll get one more series and then another festive special with that special being the regeneration episode at the same time.
I'd go with the latter, seems to be more the norm.
I can only hope Chibnall goes as well and we can move on from this mostly mess of an era in Who.
Man when he took that sandwich out of his pocket that was the most doctor thing to happen in the whole Jodie era.
A random BBC News special on coronavirus last night got about the same viewers as the finale.
You people really are bad at knowing what makes someone a choosen one =P
The timeless children stuff has NOTHING to do with a choosen one stuff.
Clara being trown into the time stream making the doctor try to find her versions and therefore turning her into a companion is a choosen one stuff.
The timeless children stuff just make the doctor "not exactly a timelord" which ... is like the doctor being half human =P
Unique =/= choosen one
YES !
Love Bradley Walsh and Cole but the show is in desperate need of one companion only =P
The timeless children stuff has NOTHING to do with a choosen one stuff.
Clara being trown into the time stream making the doctor try to find her versions and therefore turning her into a companion is a choosen one stuff.
The timeless children stuff just make the doctor "not exactly a timelord" which ... is like the doctor being half human =P
Unique =/= choosen one
Bradley Walsh to quit Doctor Who after this year's Christmas special
EXCLUSIVE: Bradley Walsh will quit Doctor Who along with co-star Tosin Cole after this year’s festive special as Jodie Whittaker’s Time Lord battles the Daleks
Bradley Walsh and Tosin Cole exiting the show after the Christmas special. Mandip Gill is returning as Yaz next season.
YES !
Love Bradley Walsh and Cole but the show is in desperate need of one companion only =P
Maybe not, but I think I'd quite like a Big Finish story that's just the Sacha Dhawan Master in the Barn talking to the Moment
who is, of course, played by Michelle Gomez
Nobody should think that Mandip supposedly staying means there won't be a new companion (though I could live with 13/Yaz). There will likely be a promise of someone/something new.
Now I can think of a way Chibnall can make good on Jack's completely pointless cameo.
I wonder if it's just going to be 13 and Yaz, or if Chibs wants to give us his version of Turlough and Kamelion.
It should have been just the Doctor and Yaz from the beginning, or maybe them and Graham.
No offense to Tosin Cole, but Ryan is the blandest and most unnecessary companion since the classic era. He feels like he's there solely because the BBC demanded that a young male be part of the cast out of concern that boys would stop watching.
No offense to Tosin Cole, but Ryan is the blandest and most unnecessary companion since the classic era. He feels like he's there solely because the BBC demanded that a young male be part of the cast out of concern that boys would stop watching.
What do you think is the difference between NuWho and OldWho, that they managed to pull off multiple companions pre-2005...well pre-Colin Baker anywho...
Bradley Walsh to quit Doctor Who after this year's Christmas special
EXCLUSIVE: Bradley Walsh will quit Doctor Who along with co-star Tosin Cole after this year’s festive special as Jodie Whittaker’s Time Lord battles the Daleks
Bradley Walsh and Tosin Cole exiting the show after the Christmas special. Mandip Gill is returning as Yaz next season.
I'm kind of glad.
I prefer Graham but Yaz is the only one with an actual potentially interesting relationship with the Doctor.
I don't think though that cutting the companions (granted involuntarily) down to 1 is gonna fix the issues. Because the issue is that these characters get almost no scenes of development whatsoever.