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Does Apex kill Anthem?
- Thread starter GUNDAM STARDUST
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I want it to be good. The best part of the beta was the mech customization. That was awesome.
there should be an poll option for: i'd never play either because fuck online shooters
that said, i doubt apex will kill anthem. different target audiences, and not even EA are dumb enough to choose these launch timings if there's any chance one of these games would cannibalize the other
that said, i doubt apex will kill anthem. different target audiences, and not even EA are dumb enough to choose these launch timings if there's any chance one of these games would cannibalize the other
Not to me.
They're both online only games that require a lot of my time and dedication. That's how I see them. I can't devote that much time to BOTH. I have Crackdown coming, Tomb Raider just dropped on GamePass and I still have a backlog I'm chipping through.
So it's Apex for me.
Idk...i think ea knows what they're tracking and are ok with this launch. Certainly people can play more than one EA title at a time.
What facts back up this notion? Has anyone dropped any numbers that says apex has eaten into pre launch sales or whatever?
This reminds me of a stupid and pointless Gamingbolt article comparing the success of God of War and how it affected Crackdown 3.
I'm not into BR genre myself. But let's say I was, I could play it on the side for PVP since it's free. And when my mates are online, I team up for Anthem. Few of my friends I play online with aren't at all into PVP (Wow battlegrounds as an exception), so Apex doesn't interest them in the slightest. And these are the same people I played Anthem with, but the thing is we are bit more interested in Division than Anthem.
I think people are way to focused on one being PVP and one being PVE. Sure there are people that will only want to play one over the other but plenty of people will play both modes. The big thing that makes the game similar is that both are shooter co-op experiences. So if you are picking a game to play with your friends are you going to play the free game that has a ton of hype for it or the 60$ game that doesn't?
Sure case by case basis but I think more people pick games to play with their friends over a PVP/PVE option. I worked at Gamestop for a decade and the amount of people who would ask about games to play with friends over the type of game it was was like 100 to 1. In general most people who play shooters are more used to co-op PVP then PVE. Not saying Anthem is doomed but EA's forcast for it was already much lower then I expected and I'm not even sure it'll hit that.
This is to say nothing about how Apex has just flat out taking all of the attention and hype.
Sure case by case basis but I think more people pick games to play with their friends over a PVP/PVE option. I worked at Gamestop for a decade and the amount of people who would ask about games to play with friends over the type of game it was was like 100 to 1. In general most people who play shooters are more used to co-op PVP then PVE. Not saying Anthem is doomed but EA's forcast for it was already much lower then I expected and I'm not even sure it'll hit that.
This is to say nothing about how Apex has just flat out taking all of the attention and hype.
As you said, some people want to play both modes. To do that, they will play both games. As there's no PVP in Anthem and no PVE in Apex, so they can easily coexist. Even better when the other one is f2p. And only one of them has story campaign, which is a plus for that game. For many the campaign sells it.
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Let's see... how about Titanfall 2. We often lambast how it was buried in the holiday season because it launched near COD, etc. No one was saying how Mech shooters are different from boots on the ground back then.
I feel as if every time I see a poll on this forum it's written incredibly leading and used as an extension of 'here is what I believe please validate it for me' by the OP which is textbook bad polling.
Let's talk about what's wrong with this poll, shall we?
- Sample Size:
- ResetERA is not representative of the general population
- Is this aimed at understanding the general population's opinion? Is it aimed at understanding ResetERA's? Would you consider these results as representative of how Anthem will do or what impact, if any, Apex has on Anthem as a product?
- Do we know if Apex and Anthem have the same audience? Are all parties effectively represented here?
- Apex has been out a single week and stealth launched with no marketing campaign, we have no idea who has even heard of this game let alone what it will look like a month from now in terms of opinion
- ResetERA is not representative of the general population
- Thread:
- The OP provides what they consider evidence for their thesis which in turn biases the people taking the poll via the first post and the thread title
- "Kill" is loaded terminology which you needed to elaborate upon later because of that
- The current framing implies it's an either or, when the answer is likely not either because we don't understand the success metrics for Anthem and Apex as products
- Question Statement:
- "How does the success of Apex affect your outlook on Anthem?"
- Do we know Apex is successful yet outside of our own anecdotal opinions at the moment? By what definition is Apex successful? To who?
- "How does the success of Apex affect your outlook on Anthem?"
- Poll Answers:
- "I like Apex and I'm still hyped for Anthem"
- Define hype. What does that mean in this context? Do you account for people's varying definitions of what "hype" means? Does being hyped for something mean you'll purchase it? This could directly conflict with option four as well
- "I don't care for Apex and I'm getting Anthem"
- Does not account for if the person tried Apex and disliked it or if they never tried Apex in the first place due to not liking something about it thus nullifying Apex's impact on the product
- "I like Apex and am staying away from Anthem for now"
- As above, I think your intention here was to capture if someone played it and either liked Apex or didn't like it and thus it impacted their decision on Anthem
- "Waiting for Anthem reviews and Digital Foundry testing to see if frame rates improved"
- In order to select this answer participants need to:
- Be waiting for Anthem's reviews (of which we do not know what they consider "acceptable" criteria for purchase)
- Be waiting for Digital Foundry testing as well as the aforementioned reviews specifically for knowledge of if the frame rates are improved and nothing else
- In order to select this answer participants need to:
- "I like Apex and I'm still hyped for Anthem"
- Poll as a Whole:
- Operates under the assumption that Anthem is perceived as bad
- You're comparing a full game that is free and currently out versus a paid game that had a demo out
- Frequently operates under the assumption that people taking the poll have played both Apex and Anthem
- Implies that Apex being successful means Anthem is hurt by Apex's success
- They're literally different types of games
- We don't know what makes or quantifies either product as successful outside of the opinions of:
- Which I feel is being talked about more (subjective)
- What game I feel is being played more (subjective)
- Which game has the greater number of players (objective, but we don't know if this defines success)
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Any numbers that state apex has sapped any interest from anthem?
Anthem will do fine. The number of people who won't buy it due to Apex being so good is offset by the fact that there's hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people using Origin now to play Apex that weren't on the service a week ago. EA just got a whole new audience to market to.
why not both!
they arent even the same type of game unless you think that if both have guns then they are the same which in that case...damn thats kinda sad.
they arent even the same type of game unless you think that if both have guns then they are the same which in that case...damn thats kinda sad.
Anthem will kill Anthem if they dont do a proper end game after finishing the main campaign, Apex will be forgotten if the game wont get updated as much as Fornite and balanced to keep people interested after the honeymoon phase
the amount of work you put into your post was far too high for something anyone that can realize Era is a bubble already knows.
regardless tho...I respect that. you put 110%
Does not being the exact same exact type of game double the amount of hours in the day? I don't think some of you understand how big releases, even not being in the same genre, can affect each other. They're both high profile multiplayer centric shooters, the sudden popularity of one is going to affect the other.
OP kinda ruined his thread by using the word "kill" and having horrible poll options.
OP kinda ruined his thread by using the word "kill" and having horrible poll options.
It's very different from Anthem
Apex is more like pubg x overwatch.
I'm really not sure how you managed to connect Apex's performance with the incoming Anthem lol
I don't think one will impact the other either. They scratch different itches
I don't think one will impact the other either. They scratch different itches
Another thing that is missed is that part of Anthems reason for existence is to add recurring value to EAs origin premiere sub service. Even *if* Anthem's early sales were somehow impacted, Apex is driving a huge influx of people to Origin who then might end up subscribing for the perks you get there who will now have full access to Anthem and (if they like it) only further keeps them as a subscriber. Both games are squad based so people joining on with friends are only further incentivized if any of their friends take interest. Seriously I think people are really just looking at the most superficial level of this and not putting much critical thought in how complementary games in this kind of service benefit each other (or they're just tripping over themselves wanting the game to fail..)
But what if they're completely different types of enjoyment?
Just because they're 2 different genres doesn't mean they won't impact sales. A lot of people only play a few games a year, especially games that are a time commitment, or GaaS. I for one was on the border of getting anthem, but now that apex is out, I'll just play this. Mainly because I don't have time to play both, and apex is so good.
I think there are a lot of people like me, especially those in the fence about anthem. They'll just play apex.
I think there are a lot of people like me, especially those in the fence about anthem. They'll just play apex.
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You're overthinking it my dude. This is not an independent study - just a topic of discussion on a games forum.
People are missing that a game like Anthem has to be THE game to play at launch. It's a major new GaaS franchise from EA/Bioware with tons of marketing behind it. It's supposed to be a tentpole blockbuster release and right now Apex has all the chatter/hype/media attention that a game like Anthem needs. That's why this thread exists.
I was keeping an eye on Anthem, and though the two games aren't at all alike I think playing so much Apex has definitely made me wearier of spending a lot of money on another online shooter, since my time is currently being occupied. So I wouldn't say Apex 'killed' Anthem for me, I do still want it, but it's definitely effected my desire to purchase somewhat just because I'm enjoying what I'm playing right now. I'm not the kind of person who enjoys juggling 3 or 4 games at once.
Anthem should've had a dedicated campaign.
It's not the game I want from BioWare and so I'm not gonna buy into it.
It's not the game I want from BioWare and so I'm not gonna buy into it.
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Just WHAT will BioWare do against ALL these games.
I will take their survey and tell them to step up their game right now.
While there's no doubt I'm overthinking it and putting in far more effort than I should be for free here, it's not just a topic of discussion when you've used the poll's data to make assertions.
You asked for feedback on the poll earlier and though it wasn't directed at me I took up the challenge. Meant no ill will by it.
Anthem not having PVP doesn't change how many hours are in one day. Gamers only have a limited amount of time. If they are preoccupied and happy already with one game, what is there incentive to drop sixty dollars. The general mindshare and talk of the gaming industry will continue to be Apex and completely drown out any excitement for Anthem. Not that there was much to begin with.