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Does Monster Hunter World have the best combat this generation?
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Exactly. This is only slightly less meaningless than the post from the other day saying Japanese games "have the best gameplay."
Like what the shit does that even mean?
Each games combat system needs to thrive within the overall context of the game: The reason MHW's combat system works is because the nature of hunting monsters allows it to work. Could you imagine trying to use a combat system like that in a game like DMC or Bloodborne or Nioh? Half the weapons would be too unwieldy.
Do I think that MHW has the best combat system this gen overall? Probably not. Do I think it has an excellent one within the context of its game? Absolutely.
Do I think that MHW has the best combat system this gen overall? Probably not. Do I think it has an excellent one within the context of its game? Absolutely.
I think so. I used to hate MHW combat at first until I tried Insect Glaive, it's just so much fluid and fun. The fights are the most epic I've ever seen in video games. I haven't played Bloodborne or Nioh so I don't know if MHW's combat is better or not. I don't get why people say GOW has better combat though?!
Nope Nioh has it beat easily.
The combat of MHW is incredibly fun and feels great once you learn to control it but there's really not much depth to it, that isn't saying simplicity is bad it just simply lacks something that elevates it to another level.
The combat of MHW is incredibly fun and feels great once you learn to control it but there's really not much depth to it, that isn't saying simplicity is bad it just simply lacks something that elevates it to another level.
I'm curious, but in what regard? For the most part MHW has the same movesets with more options and better controls.
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Nope. Even if you exclude items, tools and external factors MHW still fundamentally changed the main factors that the combat boils down to compared to previous MH titles. The main factors being the monster design, weapon moveset and hunter movement options. Monsters have random movement patterns in MHW world whereas in previous MH games they had predictable movement patterns. When I use the term "movement patterns" I'm referring to how the monsters move around, space and position themselves.
It's obvious that to compensate for the randomness in the way the monster's move around in MHW that the MH team at Capcom redesigned the hunter movement so that the player could deal with it effectively. They did that by increasing the fluidity and mobility in many different ways like: Increased movement speeds, 4 way dodge at all times, quicker sheathing, less lag/recovery frames on animations and the ability to cancel out of most animations earlier than previous MH games.
From my previous discussions with others on this topic, whether or not you find the randomness aspect of monsters in MHW easier or harder than the predictable nature of the previous game depends on who you ask apparently. Personally, as someone who likes to speed run monsters to get the best kill time I can get, I find the randomness in MHW makes the combat far, far easier to play even without the overpowered items and tools.
However, the predictable movement patterns from previous MH games definitely allow for much more gameplay depth than the random movement patterns in MHW. If your interested why that is I went into detail about it in a previous thread:
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The styles change how some weapons are played in dramatic ways, for example Valor LS gives a guardpoint and puts you even more on the offensive than foresight slash does. It's sheath allows you to change attack directions without the backwards movement too if you don't use it to evade which allows you to pressure monsters even more.
It's a close second to Wonderful 101. All the other examples you mentioned are very far behind as far as I'm concerned.
I can't judge controls since I'm playing world on pc with kb/m but when it comes to movesets generations had 4 different styles, hunter arts and prowler mode.
GoW, Bloodborne, Nioh...MHW isn't remotely in the top tier. It's the best MH game I've played but it still feels slow and clunky. I see the videos of experts doing cool stuff but that'll never be me. I just don't enjoy playing the game both due to controls and the sadistic base concept.
Not a single mention of For Honor? The combat in that game is incredible. The only thing that would make it better is motion control.
Yes I would say so in terms of agency and options you get as a player. Each weapon has so much cool shit going on.
Also DMCV ain't out yet :D
Also DMCV ain't out yet :D
Best non-Platinum combat? Yeah, sure.
Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta 2 are both great.
But a good hammer is the best in Monster Hunter. The Big Bang combos feel so fun to pull off.
Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta 2 are both great.
But a good hammer is the best in Monster Hunter. The Big Bang combos feel so fun to pull off.
Those are both last gen titles anyway. Once Bayo 3 releases though, it'll probably take the crown. That or DMC5.
Long Sword main here , but IMO no . The movesets looks great from the gif , but there isn't much more after that and I find it too repetitive . Also , movements are sluggish but I understand that's part of MH .
So far Bloodborne is already one of the better one this gen , I had more fun with the parry system and Chikage or Rakuyo . And then watch out for DMCV .
So far Bloodborne is already one of the better one this gen , I had more fun with the parry system and Chikage or Rakuyo . And then watch out for DMCV .
For me Bayo 2, GoW, DS3, BB, Nioh and Dead Cells have the most satisfying combat this gen. Id like MHW better if it was quicker and more responsive, the weapon design and attack animations are really cool though.
Wii U, PS4, and Xbox One are the same generation.
You don't go saying the DS is in the same generation as the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube just because there were some years that overlap.
GoW, Bloodborne, and Nioh are considerably better than MHW. MHW just felt a bit unresponsive to me.
Yes, correct. The switch is in the PS5 generation. If we go by your cybertaxonomy system, the Wii U is in the same generation as the PS3, and the GBA is in the PS1 Gen.
No. I wouldn't even call it good, but that's my opinion. I also do not care for Souls games or Bloodborne style combat systems.
Can't say I feel it is. I prefer FFXV, MGSV, and NieR to name a few. But I've only spent real time with dual blades and great sword.
No, it just goes to show you that not all platform generations evenly align with each other's timelines. In other words, what's current gen for a company is not based on a standardized number of successors for every company, but each company's most recent successor's relative position to the present time period. The Switch is Nintendo's current generation system, irrespective of the successors for other companies. Next-gen is reserved for the advent of the future generation, and the Switch is well past that stage (which is why we're not still calling it the NX). The Switch is a fully released product and its place in Nintendo's timeline of released products does not depend on the releases of products from other companies. That's not how generations work.
So if Switch is current gen for Nintendo (and it 100% objectively is), then the Wii U is last-gen for Nintendo. And since Bayo 2 and Wonderful 101 originated on the Wii U, they are Nintendo's last-gen products. None of this has anything to do with the number of generations for any of the other companies. Time is relative, and subsequently generations are relative as well.
There is a lot of depth to the combat. Firstly in knowing the weak points of a boss, knowing what your specific weapon excels at and mastering the best way to utilize it. The charge blade in particular has a ton of depth in its moveset. I love the way the game handles sheathing your weapon as an important concept and using aerial attacks to climb onto the boss, the various items you can use, sharpening as an important mechanic etc. There is a lot of depth.
I get the Bloodborne is the better game overall, but I don't see why it's getting more attention in this thread than Dark Souls 3.
No and I can't even begin to decide which game had my favorite combat system lately because there's been so many good ones from Ys 8, Bloodborne and several others (not Bayo 2, though it feels good at a basic level). However, it is definitely incredible in it's own right and a huge part of me not minding the "grind" whatsoever. The gameplay stands on it's own no matter how much repetition there is.