This begs the question if devs offering a fidelity vs performance mode will be a thing for the majority of games to appease casuals and hardcore or not.
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Does some people still believe that 60 is not mandatory for next gen consoles?
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If the next COD was 30fps I guarantee a TON of causal players would immediately notice.
60 should be mandatory for games period. 30 sucks.
But, it will not be the standard next gen, because at the expense of the framerate, devs can push for higher quality assets, more stuff on screen, etc. And that will always have priority, especially in single player games over whether or not the game plays smoothly. Simply put games could have been 60 frames for ever. They would have pushed less on the scale n other stuff.
But, it will not be the standard next gen, because at the expense of the framerate, devs can push for higher quality assets, more stuff on screen, etc. And that will always have priority, especially in single player games over whether or not the game plays smoothly. Simply put games could have been 60 frames for ever. They would have pushed less on the scale n other stuff.
Some games play perfectly fine at 30fps. I don't know if it's the attention given to animations, high quality per object motion blur, or the the way they capture the input but some games can feel pretty smooth and play great at 30fps. Uncharted 4 comes to mind. If 30fps makes the game look substantially prettier, and the gameplay still feels smooth, then I really don't mind. And this comes from a mainly PC gamer.
I believe it was one of the old need for speed games (like hot pursuit 2 or something) where the developers mentioned they actually captured the input at higher refresh rates than your typical 30fps game and that's why it felt so smooth and they were right, it was a fantastic, great to play, 30fps racer. Go figure.
I believe it was one of the old need for speed games (like hot pursuit 2 or something) where the developers mentioned they actually captured the input at higher refresh rates than your typical 30fps game and that's why it felt so smooth and they were right, it was a fantastic, great to play, 30fps racer. Go figure.
It's not a deal breaker for certain types of games but I will gravitate to 60fps games because they do play far better. Could I stomach a 30fps FPS sure, would I buy them in future, I'm really leaning to no. An RPG, 3rd Person game, yeah I guess. I mean really if the game is friggin awesome I'll play at 30fps but totally wish for 60fps.
i mean i said for everything. stuff like red dead is still aiming for 30, no? im not saying frame drops dont exist, just that "30 so we can push gfx more" should not be a generally accepted approach for real time games.
More power doesn't make it easier to reach 60FPS. I don't know why so many people fail to grasp this amazingly simple concept. Graphically standards increase and this extra power goes to other resources.
We could have had 1080P and 60FPS on the PS3 if developers are willing to make the necessary cutbacks.
We could have had 1080P and 60FPS on the PS3 if developers are willing to make the necessary cutbacks.
Low FPS is one of my biggest pet peeves and I'm fucking sick of it. I'm thinking about just going PC next gen. 30 looks like shit to me anymore. I understand why its a thing, I just can't get over how smooth and nice 60+ looks and feels.
I prefer 60 fps, but I guess ill choose graphics over fps. I played around with this with GoW and I couldn't stand playing it with increased fps over graphics. So i played it at its best graphically. Seeing how 30 fps has been a standard for so long, I think its safe to say developers will always prioritize graphics as long as they can keep it at 30 fps, and only increase fps if there is room for it. Whether or not tech allows for both next gen is something we will need to wait and see.
Oh sweet summer child. Prepare yourself for sub60 as well as "fake"4K everywhere.
Until we reach absolute peak graphics(as if this even exists?), it will never, ever happen. "PS5 is the same graphics as PS4, at 60 FPS!" That is the tradeoff you are asking developers to make. You will be the one rebuying remasters every gen it seems.
That's a tricky one, because sometimes you can't optimize enough with the time/budget/staff you have to get to that framerate. I feel like there's this weird assumption that we're past a metaphorical line where every game would be capable to do 60 fps if developers wished to do so. But that's not how it works. Remember when Naughty Dog tried to make Uncharted 4 60 fps (even the first in-engine trailer was), but was just not possible?
Being mandatory would just restrict developers even more than they already are.
Being mandatory would just restrict developers even more than they already are.
The vast majority of gamers do not care about framerate.
60 fps will not be mandatory next gen.
60 fps will not be mandatory next gen.
It's not mandatory and it won't be because ultimately the wider market doesn't actually care enough for it to be "mandatory".
Different studios and projects will continue to prioritise different framerates and levels of fidelity. There will continue to be games that even drop below 30 and there will continue to be people who even manage to enjoy games in spite of that legitimate flaw.
If you're the sort of person who rages enough about framerate that you consider it "mandatory" you just simply should not be buying consoles. They are ultimately budget hardware.
You straight up should be investing in a good PC that you can regularly upgrade if this is what you care about and are "fucking sick of it". Do it, you'll have a better experience. Don't want to miss exclusives? Buy a console later on when it has dropped in price.
Different studios and projects will continue to prioritise different framerates and levels of fidelity. There will continue to be games that even drop below 30 and there will continue to be people who even manage to enjoy games in spite of that legitimate flaw.
If you're the sort of person who rages enough about framerate that you consider it "mandatory" you just simply should not be buying consoles. They are ultimately budget hardware.
You straight up should be investing in a good PC that you can regularly upgrade if this is what you care about and are "fucking sick of it". Do it, you'll have a better experience. Don't want to miss exclusives? Buy a console later on when it has dropped in price.
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I believe we'll see a lot of games with the choice of resolution and visuals or frame rate. 60 won't be standard, but it will be far more common.
I see this happening next gen. The One X already supports Freesync, so this seems like a logical next step.
No platform holder is going to even consider setting minimum framerates. Not only would it piss off developers, it would be basically unenforceable.
I don't understand why devs can't just add a performance mode in their games. Lot's of games do it and it's great. Give the people who want unstable frames and 4k their stuff and let people who want 60fps but isn't 4k their thing.
I love when i can change FOV and to performance mode on consoles.
I love when i can change FOV and to performance mode on consoles.
Ding ding ding...the PC market also throws a wrench into it since devs will just code to the lowest common denominator and let the hardware do the rest.
Lol the developers vision are acceptable and you have no right in dictate what they should prioritize or what is acceptable. 30fps is fine and this obsession with high frame rates is not healthy.
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Exceptional looking games invokes curiosity, and secures purchases, fps is secondary.
Because it's a waste of development and optimization time that will cater to that 1% that cares, meaning it's not worth the effort. Most console gamers just want to play the game and don't want to waste time with settings.
30fps is okay for card games.
Actually, I take that back.
Once you get used to much higher fps, it's really hard to stomach even 60fps. You really do see the slideshow, which your eyes have been tricking you into thinking was really smooth. The faster the pace of the game (especially with big horizontal movements) the more obvious it is.
Actually, I take that back.
Once you get used to much higher fps, it's really hard to stomach even 60fps. You really do see the slideshow, which your eyes have been tricking you into thinking was really smooth. The faster the pace of the game (especially with big horizontal movements) the more obvious it is.