Perhaps another solution is to treat all life with respect and dignity.
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Dog attacks commuter on NYC subway
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Perhaps another solution is to treat all life with respect and dignity.
Both people were idiots in this scenario so nobody wins. But I do have to say, I'm sick of people bringing there dogs every single place they go and think every person in the world should be comfortable around their dog. The other day some asshole brought his German Shepard into home depot and it was pretty clear that this dog wasnt that friendly. Kids were walking by and you can see the dog starting to get a bit aggressive. This shit is starting to turn into an ego thing.
Of course, but I'm absolutely for mandatory training for every dog, within cities at least. In a place with such high population density, we need to regulate animals that are taken outside. People are irresponsible, we can't trust them to train their dogs, and I don't believe it should be acceptable to keep poorly/untrained dogs so close to so many people.
No I agree, it's the owner's fault. Dogs generally don't have any concept of proportionality; they go from zero to mauling with the line being determined by their individual personality and upbringing. I won't blame a victim for not knowing where that line is.
Yeah, sure. Just an innocent pup minding his own business on the subway.
Honestly, she wasn't in that much of a danger as it only has her shoe. If anyone were to get involved, the dog might have grabbed their arm or worse. Also the dog might have felt more threatened. The way it played out, was probably best case scenario.
This is exactly what I see in practice (I am a vet) and tell people. Media are using Pit Bull for sensationalism, this is not real journalism. Thousands of people are bitten by dog every day. Don't rely on the news to give you an accurate statistical information on the risk of a particular breed. This is just sensation media.
Pit bull are generally very sweet dogs and good family pets. There are exception just like there is exception in any breed (I have seen vicious Golden Retrievers which are generally seen as the epitome of family dog). I don't treat my Pit Bull patient differently than my other large dog patients.
There is plenty of bad dogs and plenty of bad dogs owner. Some of my Pit Bull patients are sweet heart that give kisses and are just loving animal. Some are not. The ratio for good pit bulls to bad is better than several other breeds I see (Cocker Spaniels for example).
Pit Bulls are not superman of the dog world, they don't have more strength than other dog of similar size. I have wrestle enough dogs to attest this. Research show the same.
Studies have shown that Pit Bulls are largely over represented in media in relation of actual number of dog bites. Real statics do not shown more attack from Pit Bulls in relation to the number of numbers of Pit Bulls vs general dog population. Historically, other breed have had notorious media coverage in the past, it's whatever strike the fancy of the media of the age.
Also, Pit Bull are over represented in minority race ownership ratio compared to 'white' man in the US. Many believe this is one of the reason the breed have been targeted. I worked as a vet in the US for 6 year, and Pit Bull was the most common family dog for black family in my area just like lab were the most common in white family.
Breed ban has no scientific justification based on bite statistic. This is even the position of the Federal US government based on statistic.
Point is, if a Golden Retriever bite, it is NOT news worthy. If a Pit Bull bite then you have news, especially if you have footage.
I don't think people should brig their dog on public transportation regardless of the breed.
Using sensationalism media as your source of info is how you end up with Trump as president.
Again statistic don't show Pit Bulls as a much greater risk than other dog similar size. Be careful doing generalization based on media coverage.
It's just a rotation of what's fashionable with stupid asocial morons. Just like cars. 20 years ago assholes were driving BMWs, then the same type of idiots started fancying Audi's... Both the cars and the dogs are merely, an extension of their assholery. But dogs are living beings, so it's extra tragic.
Remember when Pitbulls were common family dogs
Remember when it was the Dobermans that were the scum of the earth
Then the Rottweilers
Then German Shepards
Now it's the Pittbull's turn
What will it be in 10 years
None of these are new breeds or just started craving human flesh recently
I suppose so, I would hope that if things escalated someone might have intervened
Pushing the dog multiple times is not "being pushed aside a bit." There was no excuse for anyone to put their hands on that dog. And nobody is required to train their animal to take a beating without reacting.
He bit a SHOE after being shoved in the face multiple times. You want the dog to die now?
Papi, don't break the law in New York this ain't even a discussion. I don't care who provoked who just don't break the law. The guy with the dog broke the law. I def don't think you from NYC with the mindset of letting a dog take a seat on a pack train. Smfh When the dog was biting the women's foot the bystanders didn't bite her as well, they helped her and didn't mind their business
It wasn't exactly mauling. And also I think I would say anyone should know that the line is not pushing it in the first place unless they felt like they were in immediate danger, which is a different story. Not completely blaming the person who it attacked, but you can't say that they weren't completely blameless in the way they handled the situation.
This typically progressive forum gets disturbingly bloodthirsty over certain things, and it never ceases to weird me the fuck out.
The only reason this wasn't a mauling was because the dog latched on to her shoe instead of her leg. It could have easily been much worse.
I'm sorry boo boo, but you down kill dogs because they bit shoes or what "could" have happened. That is not enough.
But the dog didn't even go for her again after the shoe came off. Once again the dog was defending itself in the only way it knew how, the only people at fault are the owner and the person who pushed the dog twice.
Yeah, I'm not in favor of putting the dog down in this case. I am in favor of prosecuting its owner for creating and escalating a dangerous situation.
Dog clearly tried to bite her, lady got lucky that the dog only got her shoe and not her entire foot. That huge ass dog doesn't even belong on the subway and yes if a dog attacks a person in a public area it needs to be put down and the owner needs to be charged.
this is newsworthy. i ride the nyc subway Monday through Friday and would definitely want to know when and if something like this happens
Informative posts people are likely to ignore, because it doesn't fit in with their uninformed fear-mongering of a dog breed.
If you're out for a walk with your dog and I decide to give it a good kick, do I get to shoot it when it nips at my heel? Ofc the dude shouldn't have brought it on the train, that doesn't mean the pup should be condemned to death for his and the woman's stupidity.
Going by the avatar, this particular poster pretty much wants all dogs killed. Some of his GAF posts on the subject were insane.
or maybe it should go to another home not in the city? like, it's a dog, if you provoke a dog there's a chance it will bite you. it doesn't know what it's doing is bad, and it shouldn't die for just doing something that dogs do.
Same dumb reactions every thread, though. People are quick to point out the breed while playing stupid or not mentioning the owner being irresponsible/shitty.
If you kick a dog while you're walking down the street, it's obviously your fault. But this wasn't the street, it was a subway where the dog didn't belong and unless I missed it it didn't say that the lady attacked the dog. From what I understand the dog was on a train where it didn't belong and was sitting on a seat. Lady pushed the dog to the side on the seat and he tried to bite her and ended up getting her shoe instead.
Huh I never said all dogs should die, if you're going to claim that mind posting some links. Only time I ever said a dog needs to be put down is if it attacked or tried to attack a human. I can make up shit about you too.
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I don't see the lady at fault here. The dog doesn't belong on the subway nor it should be taking up a seat. Owner is in the biggest fault here, but this is also a dog that attacked a human.
The woman doesn't share any blame? Ok guys, there is no reason to argue with him here. Clearly they are blind/and or not right in the mind.
You can have them in containers even if they're big.
No one is good in this story. Wtf at the woman pushing the dog too. Feel bad for no one but the dog.
That poor dog. Sounds like an irresponsible owner and I'm not going to blame the dog though when the woman is pushing the dog and the owner starts fighting with the woman. Dog just saw his pack leader attack some (or be attacked) and follows suit. But the dog is going to be the one who pays :(.
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Pitbulls need to be euthanized out of existence. A breed designed to kill and go apeshit. Seriously, how many deaths have resulted from these monsters? Fuck these dogs and fuck their owners.
Just in case anyone ever is in a situation, try to pick up the back legs of a dog. They can't balance and will usually release. Then you've got to redirect them or hope they don't want more.
There would be a lot of sweet dogs and patient dogs that would be put to sleep if we did this. Hell, watch any animal planet animal cops show. The pit bulls are the ones who still end up passing the temperment tests with flying colors despite being rescued from abusive situations. And I can attest working at a pet store that there are plenty of them that just want to lick your face and love on you.
They were the popular family dog before labs got popular. And they aren't designed to go apeshit. Even the ones bred for fighting are bred to go after other dogs and have to be trained to be that mean. That's why they get sacrificial animals like weaker dogs (even other pits) and cats and small animals to teach them to be mean (dog fighters can die in a fire in my opinion).
Lol the lady clinging onto her boot. Just let that shit go
I've owned a few pits in my lifetime. They can be the sweetest. Also turn aggressive on a dime. Owners should take more care having one as a pet..
I've owned a few pits in my lifetime. They can be the sweetest. Also turn aggressive on a dime. Owners should take more care having one as a pet..
Dude, its owner was in the wrong bringing him on the subway but don't start physically engaging the dog and fighting the owner over it FFS. If someone tried to confront me or my family and started getting physical, I'd sure as fuck want my German Shepherd to start chomping.
Everyone here is an asshole EXCEPT the dog
That's ok. It's not worth it. Every year we have hundreds of disfigurements and dozens deaths by this breed.
Ridiculous. I'm all for banning guns too by the way.
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