Nope. That sounds exactly like the silly complaints Diablo 3 received...
DOOM Eternal will launch on PC, PlayStation 4, Xbox One, and Nintendo Switch
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Memory must be tragically short for so, so many people. When Doom 2016 was revealed, complaints were it wasn't colorful enough ("piss filter" and all that) - now the sequel is too colorful. Okay. Whatever.
This "objectively" debate is very stupid.
Objective: "not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts."
If any one of us can find DOOM on Switch to be better than DOOM on PS4 or XB1 because either it offers portability or gyro controls then it is not objectively the worst version by definition. In order for something to be able to be "objectively the worst" then it cannot possibly be subjectively preferred by anyone.
I think the miscommunication here is in terms of what exactly is "worse". Yes, DOOM Eternal on Switch will have objectively the worst visuals and performance (unless there's a lower PC setting) but calling it objectively the worst version overall is not a proper usage of the word "objective".
If there are aspects of one version of the game that can be subjectively preferred by anyone, then the overall quality of each version cannot be defined as objectively better or worse than any other version.
I like arguing semantics just as much as the next guy but I hope this conversation is done.
Objective: "not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts."
If any one of us can find DOOM on Switch to be better than DOOM on PS4 or XB1 because either it offers portability or gyro controls then it is not objectively the worst version by definition. In order for something to be able to be "objectively the worst" then it cannot possibly be subjectively preferred by anyone.
I think the miscommunication here is in terms of what exactly is "worse". Yes, DOOM Eternal on Switch will have objectively the worst visuals and performance (unless there's a lower PC setting) but calling it objectively the worst version overall is not a proper usage of the word "objective".
If there are aspects of one version of the game that can be subjectively preferred by anyone, then the overall quality of each version cannot be defined as objectively better or worse than any other version.
I like arguing semantics just as much as the next guy but I hope this conversation is done.
I thought Doom's implementation of Gyro controls were pretty poor to be honest. They just felt wrong, along with Fornite and Immortal Redneck. Only Nintendo have pulled them off successfully for me. The response feels off whenever I try a different game. Would be nice to have a Splatoon style Y-Axis lockout option on the stick as well, as I think that's essential if the gyro is in effect all the time. Having that means there's a neutral position you can return to from muscle memory to look straight forward again, which isn't the case if the Y-Axis isn't locked out. You need to reset far too much otherwise.
I didn't play DOOM with gyro (though I'm gonna get back to it before long) but I did play Wolf 2 with gyro and I thought it worked extremely well, basically just as good as BotW. Hopefully that means Panic Button has gotten more experience with gyro and has gotten better at implementing gyro controls.
It plays completely fine since I've played it both docked and undocked
Ugh. Guess not. I hope they can achieve a a more solid 30fps. Was playing doom on the switch the other day, and it was obvious that the FPS chugged during hectic moments, basically, when you need the game to perform at its best. It can definitely impact the enjoyment of the game at those points.
You’d be surprised how beneficial portability is at home. Seamlessly taking your gaming session with you around the house is a benefit when the tv is being used by other members of the house hold, or if you just want to continue your gaming session elsewhere in the house(toilet).
I read an interview with Bethesda, where they confirmed it would not be 60 fps on Switch. Can't remember where though. (I think it was a link in a topic on Era, in the opening post).
https://youtu.be/r2wnfOKKl-Y
Someone explain to me how people are fooled by this shit
What does sjw dog whistle politics for alt right narrative have to do with doom downvoted this video
Fake news assholes he goes on to say he likes other classic shooters but wtf kind of rhetoric is this shit
Bethesda spoke out against hate with marketing of wolfenstein 2 hope they denounce this similar alt right hijacking of games to further their dumb agendas
Someone explain to me how people are fooled by this shit
What does sjw dog whistle politics for alt right narrative have to do with doom downvoted this video
Fake news assholes he goes on to say he likes other classic shooters but wtf kind of rhetoric is this shit
Bethesda spoke out against hate with marketing of wolfenstein 2 hope they denounce this similar alt right hijacking of games to further their dumb agendas
Splatoon is 60fps. The 3 other games you cited are not. That's why you feel that the gyro implementation is wrong.
I legit have not seen anyone mad about the "mortally-challenged" line? I thought it was hilarious, personally.
Todd has said from the beginning that the hardware is what attracted them to it. Skyrim was essentially there to test the waters and ever port they’ve done as exceeded sales expectations.
Nintendo also said they went well out of their way to reach out to developers when putting the hardware together. Not really that unbelievable.
What about playability on the Switch version was compromised? There’s not a single review that states gameplay was compromised aside from the frame rate drop that NO ONE saw as a big deal.
Funny thing is that Skyrim was not even the first Bethesda game released on Switch. DOOM was.
The frames. 30 fps with drops will simply not be as nice and smooth to play as 60fps. Therein lies the compromise.
As I said, I thought it was impressive but personally I didn't enjoy the game as much with that frame rate and given the fact that I have choices I will probably forgo the Switch version.
Feel free to consider me the first one you've seen so far.
1 down, dozens to go?
OT: I very much appreciate the Verhoeven-esque satire in DOOM (and Wolf/Wolf 2).
If you're gonna be pandering to the alt-right you're inevitably gonna be losing some customers on the other end of the political spectrum.
Just my choice with this one. I'm letting it be known that this is a thing that's gonna happen with some of us. I'm certainly not trying to censor the game's sense of humor nor am I gonna criticise anyone buying it. Nor I expect Bethesda caring about any potential backlash the same way they never did when they went the opposite way with Wolf 2. I just think the joke is in very poor taste and it certanly didn't sit well with me, personally.
I can see that, the frame drop is a compromise. I was mostly questioning the “playability wasn’t great,” because most tend to agree the gameplay experience wasn’t compromised. I see what you mean, now.
It's as dumb as what the couple people in the gameplay thread on this site did, trying to start an outrage thing over the couple of jokes that were in the demo only the other way around. Something about it being insensitive blah blah. I think someone tried to say the game's entire premise was alluding to the immigration problem the US has lol.
People see what they want to see most of the time. People on both sides (yes I'm both sides-ing here) think the game's alt right or SJW pandering, all because their interpretation of THE SAME JOKE is warped from their own perspectives.
In the fifteen minutes I watched I got that idea, yes. First time, I raised an eyebrow. But the second time I had to conclude this was very much a thing that was happening. As a fan of the reboot and Bethesda's many other games, I welcome any attempts on their part at convincing me I got the wrong idea. The material shown so far hasn't done so.
How can you be "a fan" of the reboot and not notice the humor was in the same vein of the first game?
I'm just a bit lost I didn't see whatever joke and don't understand it but I don't want doom eternal being some fucking lightning rod for the alt right fuck those assholes
I think that's a danger because the alt right has made a pattern of using pop culture items without permission and then getting admonished for doing so because the artists had a problem with it Luke several timws trump fascist campaign used music without permission
I remember even angry birds movie was literally cited as anti immigration messaging by alt right so fucked up I don't want bethesda dragged into thought they are supporting alt right even by accident
Never ceases to amaze me how many people jump up to criticise a Switch version as being "compromised" or a downgrade because of the frame rate, when the vast majority of console games are 30fps...
I trust they all own capable gaming PCs and do the same thing in every multiplatform thread...
I trust they all own capable gaming PCs and do the same thing in every multiplatform thread...
Wait, you were serious with your comment? My apologies, I thought you were being sarcastic.
DOOM 2016 was decidedly anti-corporate, anti-conservative game that had a general message of "corporations suck," "corporate worship is bad," "religion/occult leads to chaos and mayhem," etc.
Here, in DOOM Eternal, if you view the corporations--and thus, the demons--as "the right" in this situation (and I don't know how or why you wouldn't), then the mortally-challenged line could be explained as the "right" trying to normalize what's bad (demons)--think "very good people"--so the people of earth can hand wave the demon invasion. If you look at how the Trump admin has played out so far, we've seen countless examples of this ugly shell game.
"Don't worry about them, they're fine, they're very good people, they just have some challenges."
Could id have used a different phrase? Sure. But I highly, highly doubt they've pivoted from their "fuck demons/corporations" and "fuck Nazis" stance to wanting the alt-right to prop their game up as some mass triggering event for "SJWs."
Just my take.
I guess I can see how the jokes can be interpreted as references to the immigration situation in the US but that was not something I connected until I saw other people doing that.
To me it seemed like the same evil corporation dark humor stuff that's prevalent in the Fallout games with Vault-Tec. Basically a corporation attempting to put out calming PR in the face of an accident they caused that might essentially wipe out humanity.
To me it seemed like the same evil corporation dark humor stuff that's prevalent in the Fallout games with Vault-Tec. Basically a corporation attempting to put out calming PR in the face of an accident they caused that might essentially wipe out humanity.
Bethesda, the company whose marketing for Wolfenstein 2 was essentially "PUNCH NAZIS"?
The debate I've seen over this simple joke has got be one of the most fucking stupid things I've ever encountered on the internet.
Sans context, I can see how it could be taken the wrong way... but if only we had interviews with the developers,or previous examples of their sense of humor to provide some context! Man, that shit would be crazy.
Actually... the people that made that connection see immigrants as invading demons? Now that's fucked up..
This was essentially my take as well, you explained it better than I could've though.
Exactly; this is Verhoeven-level stuff here.
I just don't understand why one (somewhat easily explained) line has caused folks to think the entire company--and political leanings of the first game and 2 Wolfs--has completely changed.
I think it's important to balance the (very real and important concerns) people may have with some kind of background - I.E., id Software are most likely not Nazis or alt-right assholes, they're just poking fun at the "evil corporation" trope. As evidenced by the writing in their previous games.
Some people just love to work tirelessly on their crusades.
Still better than the subliminal political message arguments, though.
I just wish everyone else could be as agreeable, because between this nonsensical political debate and argument about the quality of the Switch version, this thread is becoming kind of a drag. :P
It's a kind of proof by contradiction.
I don't see any troll here.
So you don't think trying to say 60 fps isn't noticeable over 30fps and then going on about power consumption and our planet is troll-like behaviour?
There's reaching and then there's whatever Gusy did