Dozens at Facebook Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
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I will only speak for myself. If you don't see any other post that speak on this then perchance I have misread them and I will not use them as examples.
When I speak about religion and the Left, I speak about how religion, almost by default, is based on voluntarily excluding certain practices that are widely accepted by the Left. When someone speaks to this, say Islam and Gay Marriage, the left is completely intolerant of the idea that anyone should excluded from loving or marrying anyone. And I understand the principle behind this thinking however, it's flawed to force any belief or "freedom" upon people who don't want it. It's the same thinking the right used to start conflict under the guise of
freedom". I looked for the thread about this and I can't find it. It might have been on NeoGaf. I'm sorry.
Before I get banned, I completely understand the difference between Gay Marriage and WAR. I am only trying to draw the parallels in forced inclusion.
Maybe I don't know shit and that's cool too but just because someone has some conservative views does not make them a racist.
If I'm understanding you correctly, you don't want to have the right of gay marriage, even if you can already not engage in the practice?
People who are intolerant of intolerance are really the intolerant ones, and to tolerate those who are intolerant of tolerance is what tolerance is all about
These folks at Facebook just want their own board so they can share their shit memes and fake news
These folks at Facebook just want their own board so they can share their shit memes and fake news
And he sticks the landing
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Bro, nobody's telling you you have to get gay married. I might think certain religious practices are close-minded, but if you don't force them on those who don't want it or can't say no, I really don't care what you believe. It's none of my business unless you present a danger to others.
I like the idea that the left is the one that is intolerant of religion. Like it's not the right that is trying to implement a Muslim Ban.
The rightwing victimhood complex continues lol. FB already accommodated the Right after Glenn Beck shook them down at that meeting. What more do Conservatives want?
So if i understand correctly, you just want to deny other people that don't share your sexuality or religion the same chance you have to be happy, and your problem with the left is that they consider people like you to be bigots and would rather you didn't have your way.
Here's an idea you might want to mull over. You're selfish. Your wants are not more important than mine or anyone else's. Other people's affections and spirituality are none of your damn business. If i didn't know any better, i would find the fact that you're such a religious person ironic, but experience tells me that the greatest bigots are often the more outwardly pious ones. People are out there just trying to live their lives despite all the hate hurled towards them and people like you just facilitate that shit. No one's forcing you into gay marriage so i don't understand who the hell do you think you are that you deem yourself the arbiter of who other people should love and marry. How does it affect you in any way?
I'm just glad that people like you belong more and more to the past tbh.
The College Republicans group where I went to school was a handful of whiney babies screaming about being taken seriously in a sea of liberalism. Also they threw racist themed parties, denied the celebration of people like MLK Jr by instead recognizing that day as Rober E Lee Day, etc.
If you want people to treat your views with more respect, have more respectable views.
I knew people with conservative views, but they weren't the clowns who joined the group that was full of shitty people complaining that no one wanted to entertain their bigotry.
If you want people to treat your views with more respect, have more respectable views.
I knew people with conservative views, but they weren't the clowns who joined the group that was full of shitty people complaining that no one wanted to entertain their bigotry.
The left is NOT intolerant of you believing that gay marriage is against your religion. Actually the left pretty much wholly doesn't care what you personally think or your whole church.
The difference here is when you do things like say "Those colored people have to sit in the back of the bus. You can't use this bathroom get out. You are a sinner and should go to hell get out of my Cake Shop both you and your colored muslim friend get out. I don't provide DMV driver's licenses to gay people get out even though its my job definition."
You are free to have your own beliefs as long as you don't go out and cause turmoil in public society. Your problem is that you are saying... Its intolerant because you want to cause public turmoil.
I don't think many people can relate to be honest.
User Banned (1 Week): Rationalising discrimination and bigotry.
You do NOT understand me correctly.
First I am not a Muslim and I'm not telling anyone what they can or can not do. What I am pointing out is the religion itself says no, not me and it doesn't matter what I may think but I have to be tolerant and accepting of a culture or religions rights to do what they believe to be right (within reason) and I think the left has a problem with that. Look man I'm not trying to be anyone's judge and I'm damn sure no bigot I'm just trying to listen. I'm a black man and Lord knows I have my own problems in a system designed to oppress and keep me tandem to poverty for generations.
Maybe my example was bad, forgive me it made sense in my head.
If you start a sentence with "I'm not racist but...", I've got some bad news for you.
Regarding the bolded in particular... Is someone forcing you to be gay if you're not gay? Is someone forcing you to be straight if you aren't straight? Where is the "forcing" going on here? Your argument is basically saying that the left is intolerant of intolerance, which that is something to be intolerant of!
Then do you have a real example? You still haven't explained your point at least where I understand it. If a culture wants to deny people's right to marry, then it's definitely something we should not tolerate, that's oppression. It's not some r/atheism bullshit where people go to a church and yell "GODS NOT REEEEEEEEEALLLLL"
The type of stupidity they used to indulge in with no consequence.
Lol yeah the intolerance of intolerance is the real culprit here.
So this is the corner you had to back yourself into to back up your claim that the left is as intolerant as the people who want to ban Muslims from entering the country and is rounding brown asylum seekers' children up into detention camps? You think this weird special edge case with no specific examples of it even happening is a valid equivalent?
Yikes.
I think it basically comes down to the "either with us or against us mentality"
If you're not "with us" you could be labeled racist, sexist, homophobic etc. just for not having the exact same mindset or having an opinion on a subject that the more vocal members dont share.
Women deserve education and to be able to drive vehicles. Gay folks don't deserve to be stoned to death.
Universal human rights are not flawed conceptually just because a culture demands that some groups should live under the boot of the dominant group.
I'm trying to think of a case where the left was intolerant of some religious dogma that was "reasonable".
I guess France's weird thing with burkas counts but otherwise I'm drawing a blank. In the vast majority of the cases, the left take issue with religion primarily when that religion imposes its doctrine on unwilling participants.
Personal choice is the primary concern here; whether someone possesses self agency or not.
Is saying "you shouldn't stone gays or adulterers" intolerance? If so then fuck yeah sign me up for the intolerance train. Gonna intolerate the shit out of some of these fools.
I guess France's weird thing with burkas counts but otherwise I'm drawing a blank. In the vast majority of the cases, the left take issue with religion primarily when that religion imposes its doctrine on unwilling participants.
Personal choice is the primary concern here; whether someone possesses self agency or not.
Is saying "you shouldn't stone gays or adulterers" intolerance? If so then fuck yeah sign me up for the intolerance train. Gonna intolerate the shit out of some of these fools.
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This forum does have a real problem with religion and it's one of those underlying things that carried over from the GAF exodus that everybody just kind of decided to live with, like aggression towards women and the need to run interference for racists. In the thread about the Jacksonville shooting someone posted a tweet from the parent of one of the shooting survivors that said something like "God was with us," and several posters went nuts and got banned.
I don't really understand it.
Wow, this is awful.
Human rights aren’t debatable in any circumstance.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-told-me-that-my-atheism-offends-her.50389/
Don't pretend that this forum is pro militant atheism. Or that society is.
No, both of your posts that people are quoting make no sense (and in a way are pretty terrible), because you are definitely putting the liberty to use religion as a tool to oppress other people's rights, above letting everyone keep their rights, even if all it takes is that those guided by their religious principles look away and not interfere with the rights of others. Your posts are saying that religions are an excuse to impose restrictions unto others, while others are not allowed to do anything that might interfere in any of these "restriction-setting liberties" automatically provided by religion.
Your logic definitely makes no sense in a world that is supposed to be moving towards separation of religion and government. Religion is no longer a rule setter, or it shouldn't be in any modern society. This is where the modern wave of conservatism is located, they feel their rights to oppress others are being oppressed, and that's bullshit.
I'm not afraid to call a society backwards or outright regressive if it's so heavily based on their religious belief system that it establishes their laws and societal rules.
Edit: Also, the huge issue with the logic of religion over other rights is that once you go deep enough, you find yourself excusing murder in the name of religion. "They were oppressing my right to keep them chained and locked in a small room (because my holy text allows me to), so I had to kill them." There are places where stoning people is allowed because religion says that's the law and it must be followed.
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"Don't pretend this forum is something you never implied it was."https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-told-me-that-my-atheism-offends-her.50389/
Don't pretend that this forum is pro militant atheism. Or that society is.
That's a strange reply.
This sounds like that it implies that the majority of the forum is anti-theist.
I believe you misused "burka" and you meant something else here.
If you ever find yourself saying ''im not a racist, but...'', you're probably a racist. Or at least going to say racist things.
No, it implies that this is a recurring issue that's not really talked about when it's not happening, though I noticed the accusation that I said the forum was militant atheist wasn't followed by racism or misogyny even though I mentioned both of those in the same sentence.
If a woman genuinely wants to wear a burqa I believe she should be allowed to, and correct me if I'm wrong but I thought France has outright banned it in certain spaces.
There's a whole thing there with internalized misogyny that goes beyond the scope of my post, but it was the only example I can think of where if you squint really hard, it might look "reasonable".
That's because I agree with you on the other two points.
I don't understand your intention then. Being a misogynist or a racist is a different sort of beast than opposing religion since neither of those are choices. People get away with shitting on religion and atheism here. It certainly doesn't feel like it's in favor of atheism.
People here generally shit on "militant atheists", though I prefer to call them asshole atheists because they're not really militant in any significant capacity. I have not seen a lot of shitting on atheism as an ideology/anti-ideology.
And it's usually the asshole atheists shitting on religion. It's just a chain of one group shitting on another in this case.
And it's usually the asshole atheists shitting on religion. It's just a chain of one group shitting on another in this case.
People who either don’t understand something or do have a different opinion on something. The first example imo is particularly heinous with plenty of examples out there of some people that ask questions with a view to understanding something better just to have a mob mobilise to attack that person. It’s worrying to see as somebody who is left leaning myself, because I’ve seen people be made victims for actually trying to engage in the first place.
I don't have a problem with people being opposed to religion. It's the ones that go nuts over it and get banned. The Jacksonville shooting thread was the just the most recent example I came across. It reminded me of some of the attitudes in the thread about the transphobic joke on the Cyberpunk 2077 twitter - some people just throw the rules out the window when a certain subject comes up, and they just go hard and nasty like they did when they were trying to defend that transphobic shit.
Right, my intention wasn't to say that Era is some sort of hard right anti atheist bastion. It's just that it certainly isn't some edgelord atheist haven either. That poster has seen some stupid comments on religion, I've seen some really nasty anti atheist comments that manage to throw other groups under the bus as well. Neither are the norm.
Yes, and this happened regarding atheism in the thread I linked you to as well. It's just not the norm as I stated above. I think the majority of us aren't assholes on that subject matter, religious or not.
They are actively fighting false news, though.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/facebook-fight-fake-news/
If you see anything like that, report it as false news and it will kill the virality of the share (prevent it from showing up in others' news feeds).