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deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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I guess every day I’ll be messing with my team a bit to see if I can manage a full clear, hmm. I already swapped a few people in and out by that point.

Thanks, I managed to get a clear somehow. Managed to do all of the missions for it too, so that's one thing out of the way. I got a few Succulent Fruit and a Sunlight Ore from it. Not too bad.

I'm definitely only doing this one per day though, just for the chest. It's not worth farming emblems from it unless you can get a consistent team going, the margin for error is just too tight.
There’s 0 reason to farm it anyway. It’s literally the same stuff as Expert; it’s not like Master facility where the drops are vaguely better.
 

deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh wow, no more emblem drops or anything? That settles it, EX it is!
They said it in the announcement and repeat it when you open Nightmare for the first time; not sure how you missed it, hah.

Rather, when you open it they even explicitly say it has the same chances of getting EX as Expert. It’s clearly there literally just for the bounty. (which means... I wonder how well runs will go throughout the day, if people stop as soon as they clear...)
 

Chrono

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Oct 25, 2017
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They said it in the announcement and repeat it when you open Nightmare for the first time; not sure how you missed it, hah.

Rather, when you open it they even explicitly say it has the same chances of getting EX as Expert. It’s clearly there literally just for the bounty. (which means... I wonder how well runs will go throughout the day, if people stop as soon as they clear...)
I probably read it, it just didn't register until you said it.

Thanks for the info! It makes going back to EX after my daily run a lot easier.
 

Ereineon

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Nov 8, 2017
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For me the key was to force strike like there was no tomorrow XD

i changed from lucretia as main to alfonse, with motherly love and lunar festivities, and made a festival of FS and skills (bad thing is that he hasnt much movility compared with a blade for example) my team was Alfonse, Annelie, Lucretia& Vixel. curses are not as problematic and his skill 2 actually works well with alfonses also. (and empowers lucretia XD) it was a close call clear, literally on the last second, but everybody made it out alive, so it was a full clear with the power of friendship! XD
 

Ryoukai

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Oct 25, 2017
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Tried it once and the jump in difficulty is insane, it feels like it's missing a difficulty before nightmare and after EX.
Pretty late here where I'm at so I'll continue to attempt it tomorrow.
 

Razmos

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Oct 28, 2017
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Eep the time limit on nightmare is way too strict, I had a group of 4 of us over 20k might, we had no deaths, focused down things correctly, all were constantly attacking.

We managed to burst it down once the timer had ended and he was just about to destroy everyone, it was tense as hell.
 

ElFly

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Oct 27, 2017
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Defeated nightmare with 3 seconds to spare.

My team is alf, lucretia, hildegarde, julietta,at 19k. The other teams were similar, maybe albert instead of alfonse in one case

Gotta concentrate on breaking the main body with force strike spam. You should break him first at 2 minutes and again at one minute, then just hit him with everything

Dunno if breaking parts is desirable. We broke an arm but may have been coincidence

Cupid again may be ideal, as the combination of healing and critical is invaluable

If the time runs out, you still have a few (10? 15?) seconds to defeat him as he charges his final attack, but that _will_ kill you if you don't stop him

Dunno if bothering with dragon prep is ideal. I put only king s countenance and the rest was kit to maximize force strike and overdrive bar damage
 

Razmos

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Oct 28, 2017
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I think the boss has way too much HP for dragon prep to be worth it, the whole point of dragon prep was to burst down the body parts quickly, whereas if the focus this time should be the body then its better to have wymrprints that give you better damage for the whole fight rather than just at the start
 

Numberfox

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Aug 5, 2018
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If you do bring dragon prep, I would think it’d be more for the Cupid Heal + crit damage utility than damage. You can more safely bring 4 DPS if you have Cupid and dragon prep, ESPECIALLY if you’re going for a no body part run since you’re not going to get any dragon prep at all.

Overall, I like the concept of Nightmare and the implementation from a macro point of view. I wish there were more mechanics added in addition to the stats so the fight wasn’t literally just “EX but now scaled to 20K+ Might players,” but that might not be feasible for a rerun fight like Sabnock. I hope that’s something they do for new raids if they plan to implement it as a staple going forward, since this kind of content definitely keeps endgame players engaged.
 

Sakrey

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Oct 27, 2017
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Got 20 succulent dragonfruits and 1 twinkling grains from the grand bounty. Not sure it was worth for going through a dozen of failed attempts and a victory in a clutch, at 4s remaining...
 

ElFly

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Oct 27, 2017
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If you do bring dragon prep, I would think it’d be more for the Cupid Heal + crit damage utility than damage. You can more safely bring 4 DPS if you have Cupid and dragon prep, ESPECIALLY if you’re going for a no body part run since you’re not going to get any dragon prep at all.

Overall, I like the concept of Nightmare and the implementation from a macro point of view. I wish there were more mechanics added in addition to the stats so the fight wasn’t literally just “EX but now scaled to 20K+ Might players,” but that might not be feasible for a rerun fight like Sabnock. I hope that’s something they do for new raids if they plan to implement it as a staple going forward, since this kind of content definitely keeps endgame players engaged.
Yeah, I only bothered with King's Countenance because of Julietta, as it doubles as curse resistance. May not even be worth it, dunno

I think a healer still may be needed, both because you get a ton of random damage while spamming fs, and because they will kamehameha the boss once it enters overdrive and that helps
 

Chrono

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Oct 25, 2017
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If you have a bunch of Cupid in your raid party a dedicated healer shouldn't be necessary, but it kind of depends on the team composition so it's hard to say for sure. Subbing out a haler for another DPS definitely helps, but then dead DPS contribute at all to the fight, so...

I guess it depends on the team makeup to decide what to bring.
 

Numberfox

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Aug 5, 2018
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Keep in mind there is a surprisingly large amount of Light DPS characters that have either self-heals (H! Edward, Amane (sorta), Ryozen, Julietta (sorta), Alfonse) or group heals like H! Elly, Odetta, or Fleur, which lessens the need for pure healers depending on the team makeup.
 

Ereineon

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Nov 8, 2017
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Probably could be interesting to use Fleur tomorrow as the main, to heal everybody while focusing on the FS spaming with motherly love/lunar festivities.
 

Ekid

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Dec 21, 2017
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Managed to clear with 7s remaining. I had to opt ouf of a few lobby where people main dps didn't have a 5* ele weapon or were running a hp dragon.
Grand Bounty: 20 Succ + 1 Damascus Crystal.
 

aliencowz7

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Apr 24, 2018
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Pretty sure I'm just not strong enough for nightmare, best run I've been on was timing out at like 30%. Alot of the people I've been teamed with just get mauled right away too, oh well.
 

ElFly

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Oct 27, 2017
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Managed to clear with 7s remaining. I had to opt ouf of a few lobby where people main dps didn't have a 5* ele weapon or were running a hp dragon.
Grand Bounty: 20 Succ + 1 Damascus Crystal.
It's cool there's not even an epithet behind this mode

Just for bragging rights and some random rewards
 

Sölf

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Oct 25, 2017
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After god knows how many attempts I finished it with 1s remaining. I started using Ieyasu for Bleed, which funnily enough is still OP as fuck.
 

cw_sasuke

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Oct 27, 2017
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Wasnt going to do a multi on this banner - but after using 6 single tickets and getting nothing worthwhile i just went ahead with a 10pull ticket.

Yeah - cant complain about that, second 5* Light Hero after Alfonse.
5* Dragon seems to be worse than the one Dark Dragon i already have...but still cool to have.

PS. Dont think ill be able to handle the new event difficulty Raid - just hope that enough people keep running the lower difficulties with their overpowered squads xD
 

deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wasnt going to do a multi on this banner - but after using 6 single tickets and getting nothing worthwhile i just went ahead with a 10pull ticket.



Yeah - cant complain about that, second 5* Light Hero after Alfonse.
5* Dragon seems to be worse than the one Dark Dragon i already have...but still cool to have.

PS. Dont think ill be able to handle the new event difficulty Raid - just hope that enough people keep running the lower difficulties with their overpowered squads xD
You shouldn’t have to worry too much about that. Nightmare is only meant to be run once a day so otherwise everyone should still be in Expert as normal.

Well, maybe the concern should be the later days? It’s so easy to dump all my wings into it that I’m already at 1.5k gold emblems; I got my 3 HMC clears on Monday so I don’t even have that to worry about spending any on. And since Nightmare can proc EX, in a few days I might be done running Expert till wrapping things up in the last day or so.
 

retrobotjr

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Jan 10, 2018
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i was growing increasingly frustrated with losing Nightmare over and over again so i did something stupid and maxed p much everything on my H. Elisanne. Used ingots to MUB her 5*T3 weapon, used stones to MUB Cupid, used all the water I had to raise both of her WP to 100 and 97 (ran out of water lol)

Ended up clearing NM on the very next run, not sure if if was because of what I did or I got lucky, either way I feel dirty for blasting through my carefully hoarded resources like that. Now I only have one left each of Damascus Ingot and Sunlight Stone :/

And all of that for the "Grand reward" of a golden fragment and 3 clovers
 

Ereineon

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Nov 8, 2017
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i was growing increasingly frustrated with losing Nightmare over and over again so i did something stupid and maxed p much everything on my H. Elisanne. Used ingots to MUB her 5*T3 weapon, used stones to MUB Cupid, used all the water I had to raise both of her WP to 100 and 97 (ran out of water lol)

Ended up clearing NM on the very next run, not sure if if was because of what I did or I got lucky, either way I feel dirty for blasting through my carefully hoarded resources like that. Now I only have one left each of Damascus Ingot and Sunlight Stone :/

And all of that for the "Grand reward" of a golden fragment and 3 clovers
is not like you wont be using H.Elly anymore! XD she will reap many more rewards later on :P
 

A.J.

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Oct 25, 2017
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I beat Nightmare going into overtime by breaking Sabnock at the last second. It was also a no death run luckily so I can chill on that end.

I'm disappointed though that it didn't give out a champions testament.
 

mockingbird

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Oct 27, 2017
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That was a nightmare, but I finally beat it. Had to adjust some wyrmprints and raise the level of some dragons. Thankfully no death runs only count for your team.

 

Ashodin

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Oct 25, 2017
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Last night we ran with just Cupids and all DPS once reset happened, after 2 tries we got it at the wire

Definitely tuned for top tier teams, which is awesome.
 

Ekid

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Dec 21, 2017
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A tips for Sabnock that was posted on reddit.
For his charge Sabnock target the closest player and if you rotate around him while targeted he eventually cancel his move. You can see it in this video:

It's difficult to pull of in the middle of the fight but easier at the beginning. That's some precious seconds saved right here.
 

abellwillring

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just tried the Nightmare version of the Sabnock Clash. Wow. Lived through it fine (only 1 of the 16 died) but he was half health when the timer ran out.. brutal.

I mean, he’s the greatest thing to come out of the raid, so it makes sense to capitalize on him. No other dragon is more worthy of potentially having two MUB copies in your Halidom.
Are you being sarcastic since you're a fan of the design or serious? The game never recommends him for me since he was only at 10% str/hp. I just got him to fully unbound and it's still just 15% which is the same as Silke with her not even being maxed out.
 
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cw_sasuke

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Oct 27, 2017
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You shouldn’t have to worry too much about that. Nightmare is only meant to be run once a day so otherwise everyone should still be in Expert as normal.

Well, maybe the concern should be the later days? It’s so easy to dump all my wings into it that I’m already at 1.5k gold emblems; I got my 3 HMC clears on Monday so I don’t even have that to worry about spending any on. And since Nightmare can proc EX, in a few days I might be done running Expert till wrapping things up in the last day or so.
Yeah you are right - finding rooms to run Expert isnt a issue.
Wish i could run/clear Nightmare at leats once as well but im just too weak and would probably cost whatever team that run heh.

My goal for now is to only get the MUB free event Dragon.
 

Numberfox

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Aug 5, 2018
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Are you being sarcastic since you're a fan of the design or serious? The game never recommends him for me since he was only at 10% str/hp. I just got him to fully unbound and it's still just 15% which is the same as Silke with her not even being maxed out.
I was speaking purely from the design perspective xD However, gameplay-wise, he’s infinitely better than Elias in terms of freebies from the raid, since Lucas is literally better than him. Meanwhile, every account has a use for a mix dark dragon due to having access to both Cleo and Alex. There’s also no pure HP dark dragons, so dark healers only have access to Nidhogg, Silke, and a 3* dragon in the permanent pool to buff HP, so he currently fulfills that niche fairly well for new/unlucky players.
 

Chrono

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Oct 25, 2017
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I was thinking, and if Cygames want people to spend their wyrmite reserves before the inevitable summer gacha, I honestly think Mym and another adventurer (maybe Elisanne?) might present itself during the next gala. Both were pretty prominent in the latest story chapter so it'd make sense. Also, with the gacha changes I could see them doing a dual gala banner, and what better characters to release than a gala Elisanne and Mym as the first gala dragon?

I really hope I'm wrong, as I'm saving for summer and the first year anniversary but both of these would break me...
 

PancakeFlip

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Oct 26, 2017
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How’s the new 5 star? Pulled him but my light team is already loaded and I like the new samurai waifu better so I put her in instead.
 

Chrono

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nah, Zardin is good, no shame at all adding him to your party! I just have no need for another light adventurer right now, unless it's a waifu. That isn't the case here.

Even still, it's cool to see Cygames adding more husbando to the game for those that are interested. It's nice to have things balanced. :)
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Nah, Zardin is good, no shame at all adding him to your party! I just have no need for another light adventurer right now, unless it's a waifu. That isn't the case here.

Even still, it's cool to see Cygames adding more husbando to the game for those that are interested. It's nice to have things balanced. :)
Damn you and your level headed viewpoints!!
 

Sakrey

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Oct 27, 2017
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Today's Nightmare Sabnock run was a lot better. Only made 2 attempts before getting the win, albeit still clutching for victory at only 4s remaining...

Don't know if kiting Sabnock was as good as suggested. My one attempt at it was bizarre : indeed, it resulted in Sabnock turning around doing nothing, but then he used his charged attacks again twice and the fight ended by a time out with still a good 1/4th health remaining. Maybe we didn't get the fight's sequence right (bad planned overdrives, breaks) or maybe we didn't have enough strength (although each one's teams seemed to be north of 20k might).
 

ElFly

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Oct 27, 2017
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Got my daily reward from nightmare

Ive changed my tune on dragon prep, but ONLY if you pair it with shining overlord, so you can shapeshift three times in battle. One at the start to hopefully stop the dashes if the host does not know how to bait them (most don't), the next ones asap to get the strength bonus

Man, this one we break the guy after the time was up, then couldn't kill it, THEN break a limb for a few seconds extra then we won. It was insane

Still gotta search for a party of like minded people. I got two parties. One with dragon prep and one without, so I can switch if I see a group not doing dragon prep
 

ginnokane

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Oct 28, 2017
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I had loads of difficulty yesterday finding a good group for nightmare, even with my 20k+ might light party. Eventually managed it, after changing out of dragon prep prints, except for the MUB Kings Countenance (for Annelie, who lacks the curse resist). I did the same today, but was still having difficulty, so I caved and raided my sunstone vault for the first time and used two to fully unbind and upgrade Cupid.

That really did the trick, team is now 21k+, and now Annelie is destroying with her DPS, what with ~40k (best before was #25k) damage on stunning display if I place it right at the break. Beat him the first time with 7 seconds to spare after doing this, in a 20k+ room. I think I'll be playing more than my single run each day now that I've made the investment, as it's much more fun to fight him in nightmare, and I like the idea of helping people get their daily bonus chest.

Edit: So far, I've gotten 20 succ dragonfruits + 1 twinkling grains, and then 1000 eldwater + 1 twinkling grains. Really jealous about all the sunlight ore and damascus crystals floating around. No vouchers in the drop list, but still I'm crossing my fingers to get at least a couple ores or crystals over the rest of the event.
 
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A.J.

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nightmare lobbies are pretty dead right now. I'm guessing people are only doing it once making it harder to get matched with a good team.
 

deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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What’s probably making it seem dead is that you inherently benefit more from hosting due to the might limits. I’m like 19.5k, but can set up to 1k higher, so I make 20k rooms.

Been messing around with prints a bit; curse got too annoying on Albert, so I had to switch out Bonds Between Worlds for my second Heavenly Holiday (which was thankfully already leveled so I could swap between attempts) and I do think that helped even with the strength loss. Prep loss is unfortunate too but it’s not like Impulse timed up well for things regardless, and I surely lost more than 10 seconds of it charging due to curse anyway; actually being able to use the buffed Lightning Burst more often’s probably better to begin with. Also just gave up and bought 4 more TSOs to hit MUB, since that’s a story mode drop and it’s unlikely I’ll get another naturally (and certainly not anytime soon) as a result. So I obviously benefit most when people actually bring dprep and I can boost my strength, but even the skill damage (that I can now regularly make use of) helps, I guess.

Finally got a kill after a while; 1000 eldwater + sunlight ore. Still no full clear; Alfonse died this time because I swapped Gil to Lucretia. Think I need to either just eat the fruit cost of leveling my dupe Gil (who will almost certainly be used to unbind eventually) to 40 so that both have a better chance of living, or just actually spend some of these moonlight stones on possibly worthlessly making a second MUB Lindworm and leveling her instead...

...also, had a grain drop from an EX fight yesterday, which is nice though hard to be excited about.
 

ElFly

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Oct 27, 2017
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Nightmare lobbies are pretty dead right now. I'm guessing people are only doing it once making it harder to get matched with a good team.
I ve been waking up during the night to go to the bathroom lately, and have used that to get my nightmare runs, in public rooms to success twice so far

Maybe everyone competent does it asap and doesn't run it again and by daylight there s few peoole good left
 

deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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...oh.

So on the other 3 party members I’m running King’s Countenance, Dragon’s Nest, and Dragon Arcanum since I currently only have one copy (which are MUB) of the first two. I realized Nest was still level 40/60, so I dumped some water into it and only then remembered something I was told about and that I should check.

Yeah... Arcanum’s still bugged to have 5* stats! So it’s definitely the best dprep option, even compared to Countenance if you don’t need the curse res from it; I’m just leaving it on Vixel for that reason.

so I spent like 25 water for nothing till it’s fixed, I guess... but that was worth it to remember that I could get +107 HP/+52 STR/+144 Might on Alfonse for now, so that works for me
 

Brazil

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Oct 24, 2017
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...oh.

So on the other 3 party members I’m running King’s Countenance, Dragon’s Nest, and Dragon Arcanum since I currently only have one copy (which are MUB) of the first two. I realized Nest was still level 40/60, so I dumped some water into it and only then remembered something I was told about and that I should check.



Yeah... Arcanum’s still bugged to have 5* stats! So it’s definitely the best dprep option, even compared to Countenance if you don’t need the curse res from it; I’m just leaving it on Vixel for that reason.

so I spent like 25 water for nothing till it’s fixed, I guess... but that was worth it to remember that I could get +107 HP/+52 STR/+144 Might on Alfonse for now, so that works for me
Goddamnit :lol

I had no idea about this.