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deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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Seemingly full week before Gauntlet is maybe too much downtime, so I hope that’s not the case.

Void Poseidon is easy enough that my first attempt at auto-ing worked, so I’m not even going to spend wings on Void currently. Kinda lackluster with that in mind; was hoping he’d be a more interesting fight...
 

ElFly

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's bullshit the plot to echoes ended as they arrived to the quilin village

hope it is continued in the next event or something
 

Numberfox

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Aug 5, 2018
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What are the fafnirs for?
If you’re talking about the Void Shop ones, the Bronze is for bonus adventurer exp, Silver is for bonus mana, and Gold is for bonus rupees. Gold is the most useful, though it’s also the most expensive Void seed-wise. Ideally you wanna buy the first 4 immediately after clearing out the monthly Void items, then buy subsequent copies in batches of 4 to MUB them. The bonus stacks, so you want to have every party member have them when doing Avenue of Fortune runs as well as any content that’s easy enough to use them in. The bonus also applies when you skip ticket.
 

deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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If you have someone on your wind team that's anywhere near that strong, why not just solo them?

Only one that's worth doing co-op if we're talking wings per stamina cost is Poseidon, and as that's tedious rather than an interesting challenge, I'll be avoiding co-op for that too.
 

Gun Dog

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Oct 27, 2017
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Just to burn off wings really quick before going to sleep and get progression on the endeavors at the same time basically.
 

deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fair enough, but I'd rather dump that into IO since it's about as fast anyway and converts better. But I've been running wind IO lately, so it helps that it's particularly fast, I guess.
 

XuandeXun

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May 16, 2019
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Fair enough, but I'd rather dump that into IO since it's about as fast anyway and converts better. But I've been running wind IO lately, so it helps that it's particularly fast, I guess.
I don't want to run out of IO value from daily chests. Half of my Dojos are Lv30, and the half that aren't are mostly Lv25+. If I dump too much into IO, then I risk reaching a point where daily chests don't do anything anymore, so I'm willing to take that process slower going forward. All of my heavily invested characters belong to a weapon category that I have at Lv30 (Sword/Axe/Lance) or near (Wand), so I'm not feeling any rush.

Instead, I'm hoarding for Void. They make reasonable weapons that aren't constrained by Twinkling Sand (having three AI all on Skill Prep 50% with Defense Down skills last Event made life easy), and there's been an established history of Void Seeds trading for good things. I'm placing my bets that Void will play a large role in the upcoming "new progression" for characters, either via trade for Squishums or some other purpose. I have bought all Bronze and Gold Fafnir, plus one Silver Fafnir...and still have 93 Void Seeds as of this post.

There's an argument to be made that I should be dumping my resources into more HDT farm instead, but I find that content to be more chore than fun. I prefer content where I can play with non-veterans and carry if required, and Void fights are perfect for that level of intensity.
 

deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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That’s fair; I’m not quuuuite at that point IO-wise but everything’s at least 24+, staff 30/30, and I have enough insignias to get everything a bit higher and not the coins so... yeah, I’m almost there.

I’ve definitely gone towards doing extra Mercury, which I really didn’t expect given how strongly I avoided it for HMS, but here it feels more consistent and there’s something... I dunno, relaxing, almost, about the ritual of playing it as Lowen. Maybe Void weapons aren’t a bad idea either, but it’s hard for me to judge what of those weapons might actually be worth getting. Doesn’t really feel like there’s much that what I currently have weapon-wise can’t deal with, and I could always use my resources to make more 4.3.4s, etc. Maybe Gauntlet will help provide more motivation for that, at which point I’ll make some decisions.

And you’re probably right about Squishums... I keep forgetting that we’ll learn about that very soon. If that’s the case, I probably will switch to farming some Void, hmm.
 

Razmos

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Oct 28, 2017
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Trying to target the main boss in the Frost Hermit fight is so annoying due to the lock on system.

...when autoing it however the AI has no issues doing so. Mwhahaa
 

deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well, I noticed my AI was actually having a little trouble finishing things up when running Hermit, since it rushed things so fast that it got kinda flooded with copies and only skills were damaging the real one.

Then I switched in Lin as the lead (my preferred team was still using who I had back when it first went up). Her skills + axe range in general worked out very well for clearing it quickly on auto.
 

leder

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Oct 25, 2017
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My light team is for some reason insanely stacked compared to other elements. I MUBed Albert and Hilde, but don’t know who else to invest in. Annelie seems to make sense, but I’m currently saving for HElisanne, so I don’t want to invest in her right now. Anyone have any advice?


 

ElFly

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Oct 27, 2017
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it seems there are a little more light units at this moment (29 vs 26 the next most common element I think. Zethia is light too so that'd push it to 30)

besides, for whatever reason it has some of the most powerful units before ieyasu showed up (Halloween Elisanne, who you lack, so your team could be even more stacked, and Hildegarde) the best welfare unit by far (Alfonse) and a bunch of banners with powerful light units for no reason (Beautician Zardin is not part of the plot nor an event unit, same as Albert) and a couple of banners with very good units (the circus one, and Beautician brought along Yachiyo, Albert brought along Odetta, which seems to be a pattern: 5* <weapon> light unit along with a slightly worse 4* <weapon> light unit)

on the other hand it had the worst welfare unit (Elias) but that came along with Lucretia and Vixel, so...(and you lack Lucretia so, again, it could be even more stacked. I assume you missed Halloween since you also lack H! Altemia and H! Edward...who back then were also decent, although they have been largely powercreeped)

I assume it is a deformation for plot reasons, since it's easier to make an evil enemy of dark color, so the opponents have to be light, but that only explains Felicia and the Refrain units; it gets whoever is attached to lighting element (in other games this would have been electricity, a separate element) but that only explains Albert. I think the real weird part is that the Halloween event was Light themed, but that doesn't explain your team...
 
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Stryda

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Aug 20, 2018
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No new banner for almost a week at least and no news about the next banner aside from the login bonus I guess is kinda spooky. I wonder what they have cookin up because this feels a bit odd. Can't imagine any money is being made with just a dragon banner too
 

mockingbird

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Oct 27, 2017
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No new banner for almost a week at least and no news about the next banner aside from the login bonus I guess is kinda spooky. I wonder what they have cookin up because this feels a bit odd. Can't imagine any money is being made with just a dragon banner too
I appreciate the break though. That log in bonus scares me. No way I’ll have enough reserves to get any summer brides should that happen after the dragon banner. Barely sitting at 5k wyrmmyte and 30 single tickets.
 

Numberfox

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Aug 5, 2018
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Void Poseidon is pretty doable on my F2P no pulls alt using Ranzal with a 5.3.0, MUB Resounding Rendition/Stellar Show, and the newest Welfare dragon. Focused on force-striking and only used skills for i-framing.

No new banner for almost a week at least and no news about the next banner aside from the login bonus I guess is kinda spooky. I wonder what they have cookin up because this feels a bit odd. Can't imagine any money is being made with just a dragon banner too
We normally don't learn about the next showcase until the day before it's introduced, so I don't see why this would be odd. We've regularly been getting a spare week of no active events since the introduction of limited Void endeavors, the only difference is that they introduced the dragon banner a couple days sooner as opposed to right when the School banner ended.

My light team is for some reason insanely stacked compared to other elements. I MUBed Albert and Hilde, but don’t know who else to invest in. Annelie seems to make sense, but I’m currently saving for HElisanne, so I don’t want to invest in her right now. Anyone have any advice?


I would say the only thing to potentially invest in would be a naturally curse-resistant DPS adventurer in case using Heavenly Holidays on Albert is sub-optimal. Aside from that, if you have Xiao Lei, she's actually really good due to her massive team crit buff, which no other adventurer can consistently provide.
 

leder

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Oct 25, 2017
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I would say the only thing to potentially invest in would be a naturally curse-resistant DPS adventurer in case using Heavenly Holidays on Albert is sub-optimal. Aside from that, if you have Xiao Lei, she's actually really good due to her massive team crit buff, which no other adventurer can consistently provide.
Hmm interesting, I do have Xiao Lei, I actually even promoted her to 4* since I thought she was cool. I guess I forgot all about the little people natural 3*s when I got this huge deluge of 5*s. Think she's worth taking all the way to 5* even without a 100% resist?
 

Razmos

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Oct 28, 2017
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No new banner for almost a week at least and no news about the next banner aside from the login bonus I guess is kinda spooky. I wonder what they have cookin up because this feels a bit odd. Can't imagine any money is being made with just a dragon banner too
The mercurial gauntlet and new adventurer upgrade systems are coming before the end of the month, which personally feels pretty big. I bet the next few weeks are going to be packed, and a limited time banner would make sense.

Though I feel they will save the summer banner till a week before the next gala
 

ElFly

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Oct 27, 2017
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I am ok with just concentrating on void battles due to the 2x bonus

I assume once that ends Roy arrives
 

riveria

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Oct 25, 2017
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I appreciate the break though. That log in bonus scares me. No way I’ll have enough reserves to get any summer brides should that happen after the dragon banner. Barely sitting at 5k wyrmmyte and 30 single tickets.
I''m almost on the same boat, at 5.6k wyrmite and 25 tickets, I could only do a ten pull for Gala Mym and sadly had to skip Student Mari completely, slowly building up for the next limited banner. If a new limited banner shows up now though, it would be way to soon for me. I would probably end up doing a single ten pull and call it a day.
 

XuandeXun

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May 16, 2019
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Hmm interesting, I do have Xiao Lei, I actually even promoted her to 4* since I thought she was cool. I guess I forgot all about the little people natural 3*s when I got this huge deluge of 5*s. Think she's worth taking all the way to 5* even without a 100% resist?
She's the best Wand that Light has, not that that's saying much as Lucretia/Amane are worse than their same-rarity peers in other elements. So if you're invested into the Wand class (Dojos), she's a good option that can accomplish a lot under AI control, and during times where you want to be playing a ranged DPS in Light.

Plenty of 3* rarity characters have a niche, though they are most susceptible to losing that niche over time. Shadow Althemia 3* used to be the best Helper for rare farming in Avenue to Fortune, back when that was a difficult task. Character and Wyrmprint powercreep over time has stripped her of that role, but she is still competitive with Veronica as a player-controlled character if played well. Ricardt used to be one of the "best" healers if you could overcome his initial SP costs, but now Aeleen exists - and yet he still has a niche as the second healer in Void Auto teams, outperforming Thaniel significantly. Melody outperforms because team offensive skills are busted in combination with a Buff Time Wyrmprint (Bellathorna) and/or passive ability, allowing her to scale stronger as her teammates get stronger.

And then there's 3* Cibella, who is one of my most consistently fielded characters and often in my Helper slot. She deals the worst sandbag DPS in the game among non-healers, but that's not her real job. She's by far the fastest spammer of huge HP 30% Shields that apply based off of her own max HP, even when given to other targets. Shields stop flinching/knockdown and most standard status effects (basically status not specific to Void fights), so they let your party outright ignore boss mechanics that other teams would have to respond to. I'm getting near 1000 HP shields, and will probably hit that mark once I finish leveling Study Bunnies. Oh, and her weapon skill is a group heal.

I could go on, but the point is that many 3* characters have a specific niche related to their skills. Usually its a SP cost that's lower than the norm, or a passive that lets them deal high damage from 100% HP (which makes for good Helpers), or a skill animation that is significantly faster than usual. About half of them literally are budget replacements for superior rarity characters, but there's good value to be had in the other half.
 

deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hmm interesting, I do have Xiao Lei, I actually even promoted her to 4* since I thought she was cool. I guess I forgot all about the little people natural 3*s when I got this huge deluge of 5*s. Think she's worth taking all the way to 5* even without a 100% resist?
Take your hand off the promote button, is my suggestion.

The vast majority of characters are completely fine without promoting. 0% of this game that’s not a high dragon requires a team of full 5*s, and in that case you’re only using one of them. You have multiple 4*s with 100% curse res that will function fine for any curse res content. Hell, Heavenly Holiday exists, will cover almost all curse afflictions at 0UB, and (personally) drops somewhat frequently so you don’t even really need to worry about that on a day to day basis anyway. Your light team is absolutely not lacking power in any way. Why waste so much eldwater on something that’s barely helpful? Same goes for co-abilities- High Zodiark doesn’t exist, so there’s 0 reason to spend on them on light units.

If your question about “investment” was just, like, getting the normal 45 mana though? Alphonse for someone with curse res, then the rest of the 5*s.
 

XuandeXun

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May 16, 2019
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Xiao Lei needs that 2500 Eldwater promotion to 4* because it is a significant boost to her second skill, which is the focal point of her kit and costs less SP than most second skills do, so it can be spammed. 5* helps mainly by making her first skill hit harder, but I wouldn't ever field her if she wasn't put to at least 4* rarity with her Lv2 version of Skill 2.

High Dragons don't require 5* characters either, but that's not the point - a character strong enough to Co-Op may not be strong enough to Solo, and a character strong enough to Solo may not be strong enough to Auto, and a character strong enough to Auto may not be strong enough to run fewer healers and HP-centric Dragons. There's always room for progression.

Status resists are overrated. For the small percentage of content where it ever matters, you can bring the proper resist, Wyrmprint, or Shield user to get around it. Cibella is a cheat code in this regard for non-Wind content.
 

ElFly

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Oct 27, 2017
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Xiao Lei needs that 2500 Eldwater promotion to 4* because it is a significant boost to her second skill, which is the focal point of her kit and costs less SP than most second skills do, so it can be spammed. 5* helps mainly by making her first skill hit harder, but I wouldn't ever field her if she wasn't put to at least 4* rarity with her Lv2 version of Skill 2.

High Dragons don't require 5* characters either, but that's not the point - a character strong enough to Co-Op may not be strong enough to Solo, and a character strong enough to Solo may not be strong enough to Auto, and a character strong enough to Auto may not be strong enough to run fewer healers and HP-centric Dragons. There's always room for progression.

Status resists are overrated. For the small percentage of content where it ever matters, you can bring the proper resist, Wyrmprint, or Shield user to get around it. Cibella is a cheat code in this regard for non-Wind content.
Marty serves the same purpose, tho he does not have the shield as S1
 

ElFly

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Oct 27, 2017
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No new banner for almost a week at least and no news about the next banner aside from the login bonus I guess is kinda spooky. I wonder what they have cookin up because this feels a bit odd. Can't imagine any money is being made with just a dragon banner too
this kind of reaction happens every time they leave a week for grinding void monsters

It's fine
 

Numberfox

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Aug 5, 2018
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Got all the limited-time Void Endeavors finished on my F2P no pulls alt; the off-week came just in time to pack for Japan.
 

deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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w...where’d Mariti go

Also, looks like all the relevant Void fights are available on the last day (Wednesday) this time, which is nice. I’ve been autoing them so it’s been easy to get it all done casually.

And I tried to auto HMS Prelude out of boredom yesterday, but it basically just caused me to waste ~150 consecrated waters on stun res prints despite never having a better run than the one before I did that, welp. Not like I’m quite low on them yet, but I also haven’t gotten many important prints so that’ll probably hurt eventually. In the end, the problem is that Marth loves to eat the center of 8ways and die, and if he dies then things might actually time out well such it skips golems (which was that best run) but the party won’t do the damage needed to win. And if he doesn’t die, they’ll break much earlier but not kill golems, and so they eventually lose from that.

So... I failed. But on the other hand, as long as I babysit it and manage 8ways + golems, it’s fine and that’s good to have access to. I don’t desperately need orbs right now but it’ll be good for working on that dracolith in the near future, hmm. Of course, if I want to go out of my way to farm it, using my pile of ashes may be better than honey anyway, but...
 

Numberfox

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Aug 5, 2018
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The oinker ate him...

I was actually born in the year of the pig, particularly relevant since my family’s Chinese, so when I saw this DL tweet I wanted to have this little guy as my avatar.

 

Chrono

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Oct 25, 2017
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Still no banner information? It's definitely going to be filler then, unless they really surprise us with something. It definitely feels like the calm before the storm...

Excited for the gauntlet, though. I need something new!
 

Razmos

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Oct 28, 2017
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New banner news will likely be tomorrow since the current banner doesn't end until the day after
 

ElFly

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think most of the time banner info drops the day before, I assume to avoid making people stop summoning in preparation
 

Busaiku

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Oct 25, 2017
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They don't have to worry about making people stop summoning.
At least as far as US Play Store rankings go, I don't think it's ever been lower.
 

Brazil

The Dude of Prophecy
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Oct 24, 2017
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Yeah, these past two weeks have been pretty bad in terms of banners. But I guess they expected a lull after the Mym banner anyway, so they probably did it on purpose.
 

Numberfox

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Aug 5, 2018
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I used most of my Wyrmite for Student Maribelle's banner and I'm back at 9K at the moment, though I have been reading a bunch of the adventurer/dragon stories for my commutes.
 

Vilifier

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Oct 25, 2017
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Gotta say, my wyrmmyte stash isn't increasing as much as I'd like after the Mym banner. Still at around 5,000 =(
Same. I went to zero Wyrmite/Tickets trying to pull Mym (didn't get her) and now have about 5200 Wyrmite and 30 Single Tickets. I hope the next banner is another non-limited so I can keep trying to rebuild my stash.
 

doop_

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Oct 26, 2017
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Luckily I got Mym early enough so I'm at about 11k wyrmite with 20 tickets. Been doing 1 single summon a day in hopes of getting a 5 star fire dragon