I don't think Frieza was ever aimed to be neutral. He was portrayed as evil who only helps when its benefits him.
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The old Bardock Special was never part of the manga, it was always an anime only story. Minus has been around since before Super and it's Toriyamas version of events. The only thing that the original manga showed was that Freeza saw a battle damaged Bardock, and the movie still has a battle damaged Bardock in space trying to stop Freeza's blast. One can just assume that Freeza saw him, even though he never acknowledges him in the movie.
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If Goku just lets him go off and do whatever garbage he wants and have him occasionally help the good guys out(even if its "for his own benefit") then yes, he is still considered neutral in my book with Akira toriyama doing his usual schtick. Although to be fair, i am probably just biased because i thought bringing Frieza back as a villain after him having been hyped as the ultimate evil and having been cleanly defeated in that manner after years of tyrannical rule was just a horrible idea to begin with and undercut the whole frieza arc in DBZ. And bringing him back to life and allowing him to just continue doing what he was doing before Goku and Trunks defeated him was even worse.
The broly stuff i like though.
The broly stuff i like though.
Bardock was originally shown in the anime, the manga actually retroactively added him with that panel, which to me says that bardock's anime original backstory is the original backstory until toriyama felt the need to ruin it and add his own nonsense to it later, especially when he allowed that "goes back in time and becomes a super saiyan and fights against frieza's ancestor" stupidity
And yes, i am aware that the minus short story was around before Super with "Toriyama's version of events", but it was still after the general timeframe of Yo Goku and his friends return in 2008, in the era of him trying to rejuvenate the DB franchise after the 20+ year old hiatus along with Toei.
I swear this guy has done more to DB than Geoge lucas in retconning decades old established narrative. Being "the original author" doesnt really mean much to me.
I wished they would just leave it alone, it was good how it was without cynically bringing the franchise back to exploit people's nostalgia for dollar signs, for what i personally have found is far inferior quality. But considering that that is impossible now, Broly's canon appearance is actually pretty interesting.
And yes, i am aware that the minus short story was around before Super with "Toriyama's version of events", but it was still after the general timeframe of Yo Goku and his friends return in 2008, in the era of him trying to rejuvenate the DB franchise after the 20+ year old hiatus along with Toei.
I swear this guy has done more to DB than Geoge lucas in retconning decades old established narrative. Being "the original author" doesnt really mean much to me.
I wished they would just leave it alone, it was good how it was without cynically bringing the franchise back to exploit people's nostalgia for dollar signs, for what i personally have found is far inferior quality. But considering that that is impossible now, Broly's canon appearance is actually pretty interesting.
I don't know man.
Killing someone's dad just because you want to be taller seems pretty evil to me.
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Goku is a very out of sight, out of mind person. As long as Freeza is not a threat to him or his friends in the moment he doesn't really care. Freeza is still very much a villain, and as someone else mentioned the dude casually kills someone just because he wants to be taller. There is nothing neutral about Freeza, even the end of the movie has him conquering another planet.
Freeza also didn't help the cast in this movie, he wanted Broly to kill them. He only fought Broly himself because Broly came at him.
Freeza also didn't help the cast in this movie, he wanted Broly to kill them. He only fought Broly himself because Broly came at him.
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I know that Bardock was added to the manga after the special, that's why I said the special was never part of the manga. The only part of the special that was explicitly part of Toriyama's own continuity was battle damaged Bardock in Space, which made its way into this movie.
neutral to the protagonists. if they are actively not putting him down because he is a bad dude than he is neutral. Its fairly simple. what they get allow him to get away with just makes me laugh. Like Naruto and orochimaru...toriyama dont want to be kishi's level of bad a writer, but that's the echo i get
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Vegeta says that Freeza is a reason he wants to get stronger because he knows that Freeza will be a big threat in the future.
blame toei/the higher ups for not figuring out a simultaneous worldwide release in 2018
this shit is bound to happen, unfortunately.
This sucks. These people have no fucking clue.
There was so much freaking hype after ToP and Ultra Instinct that the fanbase would have walked on glass to watch the goddamn movie in the theatres.
Yup, it's baffling.
and btw everyone a cam rip of the full movie is now floating out there.... so yeah, expect youtube thumbnails of every single scene
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It's the closest we've ever gotten between Japanese and Western release, it's only 1 month.
I don't know if December would have been the best time for this movie in the west.
I don't know if December would have been the best time for this movie in the west.
It needs to be worldwide simultaneous release in 2018. There's no excuse, just make it happen. They're leaving money on the table now that there's going to be leaked camrips of the film everywhere in December, and probably subtitled by next week.
Also December is fine, kids are off school, and movies do especially well at the box office. There's competition, but given the fact that the movie is having a limited release anyways, I don't think they intend to compete with Spider-Man, Aquaman or whatever else.
If December is a bad month... then release it worldwide in a better month. They need to figure this shit out.
Simultaneous release will happen next time a movie is released, probably. Like you said, the gap between Japan and the West keeps getting smaller and smaller with each release.
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Movies releasing at different times in different countries is a normal thing....
and cartoons releasing at different times in different countries was a normal thing... until simulcasts became a thing, and now we get subtitled Japanese anime worldwide immediately after it airs in Japan. now it's the expectation.
as evidenced by super's simulcast, clearly toei is just slow at this shit. they'll catch up... eventually.
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This isn't just an anime thing, it's a movie thing in general.
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In other news, 6 days till the Super panel at Jump Festa.
Get ready, I think we're in for big news.
Get ready, I think we're in for big news.
One month to go.
I'm just glad we don't have to wait nearly as long for the Super dub to happen. That was the worst and keep in mind we didn't get an official simulcast going until halfway through the Goku Black Arc.
I'm just glad we don't have to wait nearly as long for the Super dub to happen. That was the worst and keep in mind we didn't get an official simulcast going until halfway through the Goku Black Arc.
I'm ready for Jump Festa
and I'm ready for El Chivo
Whats this dumb shit lmao.
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Yeah, but it might not have any Jump Festa announcements in it, to avoid leaks.
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Numbers are suspect, they came way too soon for actuals, the number of screens is 200 fewer than F and if that was 3 days the number would actually be worse than F, which did 8.1 million in 2 days.
Real numbers should be coming in a few hours.
Damn, just checked and Broly doesn't come to a theater near me except for one like 2-3 hours away :(
Guess I got to wait for the bluray release.
Guess I got to wait for the bluray release.
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As I thought, the above numbers weren't accurate.
Dragon Ball Super Broly took in 9.3 million dollars in its first 3 days.
Best opening in series history.
Dragon Ball Super Broly took in 9.3 million dollars in its first 3 days.
Best opening in series history.
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Anime movies aren't expensive to make (budget=/=better animation).
F was about 5 million dollars, this movie was probably about the same.
Norihito Sumitomo has outdone himself with this movie. I love the OST so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfCYPVxWEMI&start_radio=1&list=RDpfCYPVxWEMI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfCYPVxWEMI&start_radio=1&list=RDpfCYPVxWEMI
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Toei expects a total of 44 million USD in Japan, so worldwide we're probably looking at 100 million or more.
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Just saw it. While I liked it, it felt rushed, especially the fighting towards the end. I feel like it could have benefited from an additional 15 min or so.
I caved and watched it.
And for all the complaining I found it even better than Battle of Gods. It just goes to show how reading a basic plot summary isn't anyway to judge anything. The direction was top class and that made all the difference.
Also darn this movie for making me give a damn about Broly, but Toriyama somehow managed to do it. Lets all just pretend the original version doesn't exist after this film.
And for all the complaining I found it even better than Battle of Gods. It just goes to show how reading a basic plot summary isn't anyway to judge anything. The direction was top class and that made all the difference.
Also darn this movie for making me give a damn about Broly, but Toriyama somehow managed to do it. Lets all just pretend the original version doesn't exist after this film.
Everything applies to what I said. Unless my favorite character isn't used then none of it does.
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