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Dragon Ball Super |OT5| A new ERA of Dragon Ball [Tag all DBS Broly spoilers until February 1st]
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If Goku had the Avengers explained to him he'd just want to fight them lol. Jaco, the Pride Troopers and the Great Saiyaman are his best bet
Movie was dumb fun. Some of the pacing sucks in the second half of it, but not in a way that bothers me much. I'm glad they kept a steady beat of humor all the way through as well.
The pacing definitely threw me off. It's easy to see there was a good chunk of content cut from the film, which would really benefit from a re-telling. Hell, the way it's structured is basically four episodes back to back.
Still an absolute blast though.
Still an absolute blast though.
I hope broly and kale get to interact in some way down the road in some fashion or another. I'm not hopeful that much of the universe 6 cast will get any screentime at all moving forward though.
More like Dragon Ball is more popular than ever after Super.
It's pretty good! My brother and friend saw it with me and they haven't seen any of DB Super and quite liked the movie.
Though I've seen Super and liked Super and the new movie so I'm not sure if this is all that helpful.
Jiren is questionable for several reasons. UI Goku could be stronger simply because Goku himself got stronger.
No. They are stronger since they both surpassed the GoD tier.
Broly has not surpassed it yet.
That is always murky to me. Not all the GoDs are equal. We know that to be fact.
Goku and Vegeta was stated to have power that rivaled the GoDs. Both of them got incredibly strong during ToP and battled Jiren, whom was stronger than for sure his own GoD. Vegeta was stronger than Toppo who himself was strong and had Destruction energy. Goku (utilizing MUI) was stronger than Jiren.
Broly stomped SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta at the same time. And took the combined (and magnified) fusion power of Gogeta to outclass him.
I unno how it all works really.
Goku and Vegeta only got stronger forms. They didnt get stronger on their normal ones.
All the GoD are around the same tier with Beerus, Quitela and Belmod being on top.
According to Goku, Broly is probably stronger than Beerus, which puts him above 'god-tier'.
The only source for those Gods being top tier is the Super manga, which uses a different scale from the anime and the movie is based on the anime.
Also, Goku and Vegeta's base forms did get stronger since all their forms are multiplers from base form.
Correct, they should get who did this movie and fucking have them sealed off toei shitness doesn't get to them
Probably is key here. If Goku isn't sure about it then Broly and Beerus are close to each other so Broly is still GoD tier since he would be weaker or equal than Quitela.
Nope. The movie can't work with the anime.
Super Saiyan Broly isn't even 5 times stronger than Blue Goku. Goku would have one shotted him with Blue Kaioken x10.
All their forms didn't get stronger. Vegeta got Evolution and Goku got MUI/UIO. That's it.
Not completely since Goku haven't seen Beerus at full power, so the closest comparison for him would be Jiren, hence hence the 'possibly' since he probably wants to give Beerus the benefit of the doubt since he isn't completely sure. That and we don't know how strong or weak Quitela is in the anime, so this comparison doesn't work.
Toriyama and the directer of the movie both said that the movie continues the anime and Bulma even says that the Dragon Balls will be back in four months, which lines up with the events of anime version of Super. So yes, the movie is canon to the anime. Also, Broly isn't getting one shotted by Blue Kaioken anything unless you think Beerus could get one-shotted by those forms since Goku put Broly on Beerus' level.
Goku's UI is a none factor since he can't access it freely and Evolved is only on par with Blue Kaioken x20.
oh shit they're doing their "once per decade" release of a dragon ball databook
niceeeeeeeee
How do you know Goku hasn't seen Beeru's full power? It's the same kind of logic that people tried to pull with trying to debunk Beerus ~ Vegetto Blue.
Quitela is stronger than Beerus as confirmed in the manga. Since the anime never confirmed who beat Beerus in the arm fight then we can use that info from the manga.
Ikari Broly (Who is 10 times stronger than his base) was weaker than Blue Goku and then transforms into a Super Saiyan (Which is 50 times base) making him 5 times as powerful than his Ikari form. So he can't be more than 5 times as strong as Blue Goku.
Sorry but a Kaioken x10 Blue Goku would beat him easily.
Sorry but a Kaioken x10 Blue Goku would beat him easily.
Except in the anime no comparison was ever made between Vegito Blue and Beerus. Even Toyo himself said Shin could have been wrong since he doesn't know Beerus' full power. So even that statement in the manga is questionable at best.
We can't used the scaling in the manga to scale the anime since they used two different scales. The only thing we can infer from the anime is that is that Jiren is stronger than his God of Destruction and that god is stronger than Beerus going by Whis. After that, we don't know how any god scale to each other outside of Beerus and Champa. Especially since in the manga, Beerus lost the arm wrestling match to the Quitela, while the anime implied it was Belmond.
Which again, unless you believe that Blue Kaioken can one-shot Beerus, you can't say Broly would be one-shotted by Blue Kaioken since Goku put him in the same league as Beerus.
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Broly in his Super Saiyan form was able to pressure Gogeta enough into going into Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan after he fought evenly in Super Saiyan. Which means that Super Saiyan Broly is more than five times stronger than Blue Kaioken since you have a Fusion multiplier on top of the Super Saiyan multiplier that Broly matched.
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Power wise it's really not clear if he is the strongest non fused mortal.
If I have one big criticism of the art in movie, is that I really don't like Beerus' character model. He looks like a dog in a few scenes.
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Gogeta vs. Broly looked more like a fancy light show than an actual fight. I actually prefer the earlier fights with Goku and Vegeta since you actually see real fighting techniques. I mean, it harken backs to Dragon Ball Z which did a lot of this, but it feels like a downgrade from the real martial arts that Super. In terms of style (I don't mean action or model), I actually prefer UI Goku vs Jiren.
Full Powered Broly is Super Saiyan Broly, except he's at full powered. It isn't presented in the film as a different form in the movie. And even then,
It was Super Saiyan Broly that was more or less even with Super Saiyan Gogeta. He didn't got 'Full Power', until Gogeta went Blue. So my point still stands that Broly in the movie was comparable to Super Saiyan Gogeta which is Fusion plus the Super Saiyan multiplier even before he went Full Power, meaning that Blue Kaioken Goku can't one-shot him.
He has Green hair for fucks sake. It's a different form.
And what about matching SS Gogeta? That doesn't disprove a single thing I said about Broly's power.
And what about matching SS Gogeta? That doesn't disprove a single thing I said about Broly's power.
It isn't, especially in the a movie that purposely played with colors. Full Powered Broly is just his Super Saiyan form at full power as the name implies. It's really no different than 'Full Powered' Frieza from Namek.
It does, unless you believe Blue Kaioken can one-shot Super Saiyan Gogeta.
It does, unless you believe Blue Kaioken can one-shot Super Saiyan Gogeta.
Yep the quality difference between the TV series and Toriyama's Goku are still world's apart. I hope they improve on that when they bring Super back.
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