That's Cell.Jiren is the most generic villain.
And thats saying something for dragon ball
Cause imperfect cell still exists.
Cell will be revived go to challenge Gohan as Cell Dorado, only for Jiren to show up and disintegrate him in one shotThe question isn't whether Cell is coming back. Its whether or not Gohan will be involved in the storyline or will Toriyama contrive to ignore the guy who took down Cell the first time to make it the Goku and Vegeta show again?
AT clearly has no interest in using Gohan currently. It really just comes down to if he has interest in using a character. He just seemed to lose interest in Gohan in the Boo saga and never developed much interest in him sinceThe question isn't whether Cell is coming back. Its whether or not Gohan will be involved in the storyline or will Toriyama contrive to ignore the guy who took down Cell the first time to make it the Goku and Vegeta show again?
Jiren is the most generic villain.
And thats saying something for dragon ball
Cell is top 3 and Jiren isn't a villain.
This. He isn't top 3 by any means. Perfect Cell and Super Boo are legit the most generic dudes around.
He did get a good fight with Goku agreed. Of course, damn near every major antagonist gets a good fight with Goku. Goku vs Piccolo/Freeza/Jiren/Cell/Vegeta/Daimao/Tenshinhan, all damn good fights.One of the best fights in the series against Goku.
All of Imperfect Cell.
Gave Vegeta his second pride beat down of the saga.
GOAT theme.
Awesome personality.
The disrespect.
We don't talk about Semi Perfect Cell.
AT clearly has no interest in using Gohan currently. It really just comes down to if he has interest in using a character. He just seemed to lose interest in Gohan in the Boo saga and never developed much interest in him since
Jiren has reasons behind his belief. He has emotions tied to those reasons. He can oppose the characters not only through fighting but through belief.This alone is far more interesting than anything you've described with Cell or Buu who have no reasons for anything they do, they're just the way they are because that's the way they are. Nothing changes for them through their encounters with Goku or other fighters. They also aren't way more uncommon character types at all, you're even saying so your self really when you call cell a movie monster and Buu a childlike monster. Those aren't compelling at all compared to how Jiren was depicted.Regardless of how painfully dull semi and perfect cell were.
Imperfect cell was still 50% oppurtunistic coward and 50% horror movie monster.
Buu was and still technically is a literal petulant child that ran the gamut of bad behaved children
That's all way more compelling and uncommon character types than Strong guy who believes only in being strong.
He is. But hell, so are Piccolo, Goten, Trunks, and Majin Boo. Like he's been using Roshi more nowadays like in RoF and ToP cause he probs gained interest in using him again. But when you see Gohan in both versions of the ToP, it becomes clear that the real big interest to use him is coming from Toei.That's a crying shame because Gohan is one of the franchise's most popular characters.
He's a narcissist
He has programming. I'm not even sure you could call his need to be perfect and fight a belief so much as a program or directive that he never overcomes. It's ironically what sets him apart from Gero's other artificial beings. The androids all develop reasons for being outside of what they were made for, whether that's family or caring for nature. Cell was the perfect creation of Gero's not because he was the most evolved intelligence but because he never broke free of the directives that defined and ultimately control him. The irony is compounded through his personality and mannerisms which care all designed to make him appear highly intelligent but mask what is essentially an automaton made to kill.
If we just count Imperfect Cell, easily. Semi and Perfect though? Nah, he's hella worse.Norio Wakamoto.
Aside from that, i guess Cell does have a really creepy first form and the mystery surrounding him that lasts for 2 chapters, which gives him a easy win over Jiren.
Problem with Cell is that his second form and his final form makes him sort of bland and he basically becomes a less interesting Freeza. Still miles better than Jiren.
well yeah. But even then, making Cell blander and duller and far less charismatic than Freeza, and then eventually making Super Boo an even duller Cell just wasn't good.Imperfect cell worked because he was creepy and cunning. Unfortunately in a series like dragon ball that has a limited shelf life.
He has programming. I'm not even sure you could call his need to be perfect and fight a belief so much as a program or directive that he never overcomes.
Saying 'imperfect cell was a scary monster so he's miles above Jiren' doesn't actually make him a better character.
He was more entertaining cause he was like a horror movie monster imo. But the logic Jiren is more generic because Imperfect Cell is a thing is laughable when Cell (and Super Boo) end up as the most generic characters in this series which is saying something since none of these characters are all that unique.Saying 'imperfect cell was a scary monster so he's miles above Jiren' doesn't actually make him a better character.
I wish all the characters would try that. On a normal basis you've got Goku, Kuririn, Roshi, Hit, 17, and Piccolo who would use tactics or cunning or strategy to try and fight opponents. But due to the nature of this series, this will hardly ever work. Doesn't help that most characters have the same damn techniques too.The things you gotta do when you have a lower power level in dragon ball smh
Right, but the premise being tossed about is the quality of being generic, which Involves depth, or is at least implied to. That's more what I'm arguing against. If people find imperfect Cell or even perfect more fun or whatever, that's cool.I mean that's subjetcive.
Better character =/= deeper character