I can't prefer the U6 Saiyans in the manga when Kale is legit just a female Broly for most of her screentime and doesn't get screentime to be much else and Caulifla is basically Goten, fusion fodder.
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Dragon Ball Super |OT6| The waiting game
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Well he has the power of boo and he's a kid. So I assume he can only go up from there. I don't think they're ever gonna use him though. Toei swerved away from him as fast as they could in GT. He did show up in the manga so maybe Toyotoro can remind Toriyama who he is lmao
I feel like manga did nearly everything better from a storytelling and characterization standpoint. Kale is the silent badass, Caulifla keeps her personality but is far less annoying which made me appreciate her more. Jiren doesn't have the laughable backstory and doesn't have a weird villainous moment and actually has some personality. I also appreciate Kale isn't merely just tied to Caulifla, she is self sufficient and is her own character whereas in the anime she really is nothing without Caulifla.
Toyotaro also had the mind to not give Roshi rape like scenes and focused on him being cool without the perverted nonsense which I'll always appreciate.
Toyotaro also had the mind to not give Roshi rape like scenes and focused on him being cool without the perverted nonsense which I'll always appreciate.
Kale is woefully generic in the manga And Caulifla is insufferable.
Their dynamic works so well because they are at the very least friends. The manga makes that concept hard to believe.
Cause Caulifla lacks her personal touch in the manga and Kale is tied to her for a nebulous debt.
That's fundamentally different from how the anime plays it. Anime Caulifla believes in Kale just as much as she believes in herself.
They're Kamina and Simon
Their dynamic works so well because they are at the very least friends. The manga makes that concept hard to believe.
Cause Caulifla lacks her personal touch in the manga and Kale is tied to her for a nebulous debt.
That's fundamentally different from how the anime plays it. Anime Caulifla believes in Kale just as much as she believes in herself.
They're Kamina and Simon
In the Super anime Roshi does the following things.
His training is essentially sexual assault on Puar cause xD assault is funny!
This really creepy scene in the tournament that has rapey vibes. "He'll make me undesirable as a wife!"
Then this scene where he literally kidnaps a girl then later on is trying to sexually assault her. Earlier on he's all near her breasts spitting talking about how soft and bouncy they are.
In the manga? None of this. Just Master Roshi teaching Goku a technique as one final lesson which was done really well. Sure people in this particular thread do not care for the manga (in my community I run people love it), but Roshi was clearly done better in the manga and no one will tell me otherwise. These scenes are appalling.
His training is essentially sexual assault on Puar cause xD assault is funny!
This really creepy scene in the tournament that has rapey vibes. "He'll make me undesirable as a wife!"
Then this scene where he literally kidnaps a girl then later on is trying to sexually assault her. Earlier on he's all near her breasts spitting talking about how soft and bouncy they are.
In the manga? None of this. Just Master Roshi teaching Goku a technique as one final lesson which was done really well. Sure people in this particular thread do not care for the manga (in my community I run people love it), but Roshi was clearly done better in the manga and no one will tell me otherwise. These scenes are appalling.
Non consesus opinions drive discussion in an otherwise dead time. I could vanish however if you'd like.
It's not really about consensus, it's just that saying things like Jiren (or others like Kale and Caulifla) has more personality in the manga or that his lashing out made no sense are just facile interpretations because it's a view that can only be achieved by ignoring what was depicted in the anime. It's the rhetoric of pretending the anime depictions didn't do something that the manga did, but when a analysis is done it's not difficult to see that there is just -less- in the manga.
The thing I've noticed from your posts in particular is you try to articulate in a elaborate manner how someone is factually incorrect in their view but in actuality they are no righter or wrong than you.
Like when it gets to this point there is no sense in discussion or viewing others interpretations. If I had been the one in this particular time frame wording my posts in the manner you are doing I'm sure you and others wouldn't care for that.
And honestly? I think the echo chamber in this very thread is quite the issue and puts people off, especially the hostility. It's what use to drive my own hostility several months back when I use to post in these topics but I have no intention of fighting fire with fire ever again.
I tried to give this community another shot but it's as others have said in the Toonami thread, this place is insular. So on that regard I'll take my leave and find a different place on this site where discussing this series doesn't dip into highschool territory.
There are interpretations that are attentive to the facts of what is depicted on screen or page. So when discussing, for example, Jiren's moment of rage/lashing out, we can say it is false that there is no information present in his depiction prior to that moment that allows for a lead in. To say that it doesn't make sense, or came out of nowhere, is untrue. Likewise, to say or imply that Jiren has no personality in the anime is also obviously untrue, since it is quite impossible for someone to have no personality.
Obviously people should be able to discuss their interpretation, but when they're relying on what isn't actually seen in the show and more on projection and rhetoric, then what can anybody respond to really?
I don't really see any hostility in this thread though.
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Geets has some hidden dancing talents, for sure!
This image radiates great power.
The fan manga Dragon Ball Multiverse actually did it before DB Super.
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Pretty much the same, but they said the person who killed his master was a demon. I can't remember if he killed his parents too or not, but I think it was just his master. EDIT: Yeah, it was just his master that was killed, so Jiren has a less tragic backstory.
I don't think his backstory is bad, the problem is that they just threw it in in a place were it didn't work and weren't able to give it the focus it needed. I think they could do a good TV special to turn his backstory into something people actually care about.
His backstory was meh. But as far as the anime went it was only meant to show why he was a dick. It served its purpose but it def was not a good spot to show it. An OVA probs would handle it better
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At the very least if they do an arc where the villain is the demon/villain from his origin story they can go back and do a TV special to flesh it out to make it something people care about.
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The whole destruction of Planet Vegeta thing is a bit muddled. It seems like Freeza did it of his own volition out of his fear of the Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God legends, but I guess Beerus had previously mentioned destroying the planet to him or something.
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I thought it was Frieza wanted to but he had to get permission from Beerus to actually do it
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Freeza asking for permission to do something doesn't sound right to me.
In Z, it's because he's afraid of the Super Saiyan, but it's because Beerus told him to in Battle of Gods. But then it's him being afraid of the Super Saiyan and the Super Saiyan God in Minus, only for Resurrection 'F' to make it because of Beerus again. Broly defaulted back to the Minus explanation.
It feels like Toriyama can't quite make up his mind.
It feels like Toriyama can't quite make up his mind.
i watched the clip where she went crazy.
the "goku, the ____" was a little goofy, but 10x better than her repeating son goku relentlessly in the JP version.
So I actually liked the change.