And a really awesome one, too. 17 protecting Piccolo with his barrier while he charges an SBC is a quality strategy.
Yea that was actually cool
And a really awesome one, too. 17 protecting Piccolo with his barrier while he charges an SBC is a quality strategy.
I can see the line of thought behind that. If there's no issue with using Blue, the entire bit with Goku fighting in base in the beginning of the battle (where he directly talks about saving energy by not transforming) just makes no sense and that seems to have come from Toriyama since it was in the anime too - even though the anime took a different route and just ignored that scene afterwards. So, Toyotaro attempted to focus on the whole energy cost issue to go along with that initial set up.
Like I said above, the problem with the battle is actually Toyotaro giving Hit a stamina issue too. That's what makes him underwhelming in the manga during that battle.
Yeah, there's actually a detailed explanation in the Trunks arc about how there's a big energy cost right after the transformation, when they're setting up the improved versions of Blue that attempt to eliminate or reduce that cost.
You're assuming he knew he could regenerate from that though. We're talking about events that are in consecutive chapters, by the same writer, so there's no reason to assume they were forgotten or don't line up. We see him regenerating from the damage, and in the very next chapter it's outright said that it wouldn't have worked. It's not like it was even half a year later or something. Goku also apparently thought it could have killed him, and yet he was wrong.
These last two episodes are the only good ones. Hopefully they can keep it up for now, gives us at least SOMETHING while we wait.
That's completely different, it's from Kaioken's strain on his body, which isn't the same as just getting tired from transforming. It doesn't really justify fighting in base in the beginning.The anime didn't ignore the stamina drain since Goku's body nearly exploded after he forfeit.
However, Blue taking energy was always a line to explain why Goku and Vegeta never just jump into Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan and end the fight. Toyo took it way too far given Vegeta a 90% energy drain that Vegeta himself didn't seem to know about, otherwise why didn't he just stay Blue after he beat Cabba and the 90% drain is literally never mentioned again after the arc. It seemed just there to explain away Vegeta's lost instead of just having him lose to Hit.
Except Black in the manga went in and out of Rose and didn't lose a massive amount of stamina. Which seems odd when he admitted that he couldn't even go into the form before Vegeta beat him up, so why does he have better stamina than them? Even odder, it's never brought up why Rose seemed more energy efficient.
Toyo does seems to forget his own stuff, however. How else do you explain that odd power scaling of Super Saiyan 1/2 Black being equal to Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta, when Super Saiyan 2 Trunks was even with Super Saiyan 3 Goku who was weaker than base Black. Even Black holding back makes little sense since as I pointed out a bunch of times, why even go Super Saiyan if he was going to hold himself back so much when he could have just fought in base form. Worse, the fight would have flowed better if Super Saiyan Vegeta fought Black in base and then Black when Super Saiyan to try to counter Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan.
That's completely different, it's from Kaioken's strain on his body, which isn't the same as just getting tired from transforming. It doesn't really justify fighting in base in the beginning.
It was mentioned in the Trunks arc though, even if mostly to write it out. And just staying transformed would still result in him wasting the initial boost of the form.
It didn't really seem more energy efficient though. Goku Black was getting healed by Zamasu all the time, and once Vegeta and Goku used methods to surpass their energy issues they easily became stronger than Black.
I'm not saying he doesn't forget, but forgetting stuff from the previous month, that's actually getting referenced in the very same chapter, just seems like an extreme stretch.
Regarding Vegeta vs Black though, Vegeta only says that he finally sees how Trunks couldn't beat Black once he creates a barrier that stops Vegeta's attack (while beforehand he was just getting beaten up). So, the script does point to him holding back initially. Black seemingly didn't know about Vegeta's blue transformation and planned to get beaten up to power up according go the next chapter, so him holding back in SSJ makes sense. It was still poor storytelling though to waste an entire chapter on that.
Not really when it was combine strain of both since Goku was able to used Kaioken x10 in his base form back in the Frieza Saga without hurting himself.
It was only mentioned that Blue was draining, not that it drained 90% of your stamina. So it's basically no different that the anime in that sense that it's just an explanation why Goku and Vegeta just don't jump to Blue and instead fight in their lower forms.
That while straying transformed drain stamina, it was never said it was a 90% drain so Vegeta would still come out ahead.
He only got healed by Zamasu once that we've seen. After that, he got no healing from him and seemed to spam Rose without this supposed 90% dropped that Goku and Vegeta suffered from the Champa Saga. This isn't about power, it's about how didn't Black lose 90% of his stamina when he was a newly awakened Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan while Goku and Vegeta had the form for at least three years and still had this stamina issue.
Vegeta can say what he wants, but it doesn't match what we have seen or even told just chapters ago. Super Saiyan 1/2 Black should be far above Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta unless Vegeta is massively stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku as a Super Saiyan 2.
The situation only became desperate due to Vegeta pulling Blue, which Black didn't expect. Still, in the next chapter, it's outright stated getting hurt was Black's plan all along. He uses SSJ to make Vegeta think that he's fighting seriously, but just didn't expect Vegeta to be that strong, which is why he initially held back too much and then afterwards got crushed by Blue, with Zamasu barely making it in time since they didn't expect the battle to be so one sided.And if he planned to just get beat up and healed, which is strange since Zamasu was away at the time and he didn't even know when he came back, he didn't need to go Super Saiyan at all. He could have just stood in his base. That entire section makes no sense no matter how you try to explain it.
Wish I had Trunks time machine to tell my past self that it gets better when he's watching the Boo arc.Seeing Piccolo get to be badass in that Heroes ep warmed this old soul
Not really, though this is only the second episode Shida has done anything on and the first time he did anything big.Just popping to ask if there was like a staff change with Dragon Ball Heroes or something? Putting aside some weird narrative issues (Villain owns Goku using Gravity powers, decided not to use Gravity powers for most of a fight, gets owned and then remembers they have Gravity powers at the end LOL), the most recent episode was unusually good - lots of interesting cuts and shots. Good music too.
You aren't missing much, but there aren't a lot of episodes and they aren't very long so go for it if you want to.Yeah ep 13 of Heroes is legit good! I may need to go back to catch up on the series. The animation and stuff was really nice.
All eps are a little over 90 minutes so not that long.You aren't missing much, but there aren't a lot of episodes and they aren't very long so go for it if you want to.
honestly i think that outfit looks kinda silly on himI really dig the Grand Priest Goku style. Here's wishing the anime will someday go a similar route. it'd be badass. Also: Ep 13 was superb. Hope they keep the awesome quality throughout the next episodes.
Same, I'm glad it was short lived. The closest I'd want him to have to that in the main series is a gi with colors similar to that, like in EoZ.
Don't kid yourself I went thru an entire series with this mindset it got me nowhere
Fuses with Trunks's sword and becomes a spear.If Trunks and Goten fused while he had the Power Pole, would the Power Pole become stronger?
It's dragonball compared to boruto...I don't really think it's that confusingI always find it amazing how fast this thread moves compared to the Boruto thread.
Well, when Naruto was running I remember the threads on Gaf back in the day. Things have changed.It's dragonball compared to boruto...I don't really think it's that confusing
Boruto just feels like quicksand atm. The manga updates once a month and the anime has been spinning its wheels for ages.I always find it amazing how fast this thread moves compared to the Boruto thread.
Boruto just feels like quicksand atm. The manga updates once a month and the anime has been spinning its wheels for ages.
Wait, the Boruto thread is moving slower than this dead ass thread?I always find it amazing how fast this thread moves compared to the Boruto thread.
Wait, the Boruto thread is moving slower than this dead ass thread?
Wait, the Boruto thread is moving slower than this dead ass thread?
Guess it shows the thirst for Dragon Ball.It's still kinda sad that this thread still moves faster than a thread with both an active anime and manga ongoing
Those days will return... some day...