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riverfr0zen

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Oct 27, 2017
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Enjoying the game so far (my first Dragon Quest game even though I am an old man). Some questions:

1) What is the point of the horse? It doesn't seem that much faster, and it's more fun to just use your regular character. Do I lose anything by not using the horse, or is it like BOTW where you can just not use horses if you don't want to?

2) What is the point of being able to move during combat? For e.g. I can do my turn command, like 'Fight', then after that as the turn is going through other players, I can move my character around. But it doesn't seem to have any real usefulness. I still get attacked by enemies regardless of where I move. (Note: I'm still early in the game).
 

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Question about Post Game and Ending Spoilers for endgame
Are we not going to get Op Serena back? I liked her short hair version better and her skills were so good. I got everyone back to to their regular levels and all that
 
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Aeana

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Oct 25, 2017
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Enjoying the game so far (my first Dragon Quest game even though I am an old man). Some questions:

1) What is the point of the horse? It doesn't seem that much faster, and it's more fun to just use your regular character. Do I lose anything by not using the horse, or is it like BOTW where you can just not use horses if you don't want to?

2) What is the point of being able to move during combat? For e.g. I can do my turn command, like 'Fight', then after that as the turn is going through other players, I can move my character around. But it doesn't seem to have any real usefulness. I still get attacked by enemies regardless of where I move. (Note: I'm still early in the game).
1) The Japanese version didn't have the dash feature, so it actually was much faster. It doesn't have as big of an effect in the western release since they added the dash, it's true. You can, however, run over low level enemies without having to fight them.

2) There is no point at all. See the title of this thread! Classic camera is best camera! Try it out.
 

entrydenied

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
7,557
I'm still early on I guess I just picked up my 2nd character, and the game really doesn't grab me yet, it's feeling like a worse version of Blue Dragon right now. The battles are too easy, the environments although big and semi-details feel dead. Towns are kind of ok but still there are only the people giving quests that are worthwhile to talk to.

Maybe the game will grab me in the next hour?

I'll have to disagree with you on the talking with NPCs. They give you a view of the world and sometimes information on the stories and characters
 

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60 hours on the game and godammit, this will be my favorite Dragon Quest with this entire pack but that story, I'm loving it. Spoiler for mid-game

The fact that we're going to recruit the party again is great. The storyline with Rab and Sylvando was really good and I loved it but the part that I really liked was with Irwin in which we see more of the past with Eleanor, Jade and all of the people at the time with the initial cutscene of the game. I simply loved it. It's probably my favorite part so far. And their parents with the Hero was very emotional as well. This is Yuji Horii in his best.

And lastly, a question: Where I can pick the black horse? I don't find it and without him I can't get the trophie for the mountable creatures.
 

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60 hours on the game and godammit, this will be my favorite Dragon Quest with this entire pack but that story, I'm loving it. Spoiler for mid-game

The fact that we're going to recruit the party again is great. The storyline with Rab and Sylvando was really good and I loved it but the part that I really liked was with Irwin in which we see more of the past with Eleanor, Jade and all of the people at the time with the initial cutscene of the game. I simply loved it. It's probably my favorite part so far. And their parents with the Hero was very emotional as well. This is Yuji Horii in his best.

And lastly, a question: Where I can pick the black horse? I don't find it and without him I can't get the trophie for the mountable creatures.
im liking it now for sure but at the beginning when it is just you & Hendrick fighting Tyrant that shit was hard on draconian he was the worst boss for me so far and the mobs were cooking me! When I got 4 members the fun started to come back
 

Himemomoko

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Aug 29, 2018
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60 hours on the game and godammit, this will be my favorite Dragon Quest with this entire pack but that story, I'm loving it. Spoiler for mid-game

The fact that we're going to recruit the party again is great. The storyline with Rab and Sylvando was really good and I loved it but the part that I really liked was with Irwin in which we see more of the past with Eleanor, Jade and all of the people at the time with the initial cutscene of the game. I simply loved it. It's probably my favorite part so far. And their parents with the Hero was very emotional as well. This is Yuji Horii in his best.

And lastly, a question: Where I can pick the black horse? I don't find it and without him I can't get the trophie for the mountable creatures.

You can locate it in desert. But remember this is progress-related, if you progress further you need to find it in snowland.

If you go back to watch OP again( i mean the video with music), you can also find some memory segments that are only mentioned in the story but no visuals.
 

Xarius

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Oct 28, 2017
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I think this game has overtaken God of War for me, which I didn't expect. Given what's left to come out this year, I don't think anything is going to top this for me, either.
 

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I think this game has overtaken God of War for me, which I didn't expect. Given what's left to come out this year, I don't think anything is going to top this for me, either.
It did for me too. I'm almost tempted to say it's my favorite DQ but I'll save that rhetoric until I'm done completely.
 

Himemomoko

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Aug 29, 2018
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After reading you guys' threads, I feel shameful I did not list this as my GOTY last year. lol.


Is it not possible for an enemy to drop a specific item if you steal it?

It never happened to me at least.

I guess you already knew this, but just in case: you can't steal rare item (the second item in the monster drop list).
 

Xarius

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After reading you guys' threads, I feel shameful I did not list this as my GOTY last year. lol.




It never happened to me at least.

I guess you already knew this, but just in case: you can't steal rare item (the second item in the monster drop list).

You can still list it this year!

Yeah, based on my experience just now, I'd say it's not possible. Only drops I got while doing it were the rare ones, and that was with drop-rate-increasing gear equipped.
 

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DQ11 is my Goty

end of the year will probably be

  1. DQ11
  2. SMUSH or Hitman 2
  3. MHW
  4. Dragon Ball Fighter Z

Same for me man. DQXI and after it, Smash Bros. The rest I still need to decide.

After reading you guys' threads, I feel shameful I did not list this as my GOTY last year. lol.




It never happened to me at least.

I guess you already knew this, but just in case: you can't steal rare item (the second item in the monster drop list).

Hey, you can do that this year. haha

You can locate it in desert. But remember this is progress-related, if you progress further you need to find it in snowland.

If you go back to watch OP again( i mean the video with music), you can also find some memory segments that are only mentioned in the story but no visuals.

I'll watch it again! And thanks for the hint as well.
 

Himemomoko

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Aug 29, 2018
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You can still list it this year!

Yeah, based on my experience just now, I'd say it's not possible. Only drops I got while doing it were the rare ones, and that was with drop-rate-increasing gear equipped.

I always vote for unique game experience that i never had before. So i vote for Detroit this year, and I don't think it gonna change. But I digress. lol

Draconian mode really impressed me. After hundreds of hours gameplay and countless hours of discussion, this new feature was still able to push me learn something new about this game. If the super monster and exp reduction modifiers were included in original version then It would have definitely be my GOTY.
 

BlueTsunami

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Oct 29, 2017
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Got all 7's Jackpot during a silver spin and max bet at the first Casino. 200k coins. Now what to spend it on...
 

DPB

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Nov 1, 2017
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By far the single worst boss fight in any Dragon Quest game?

- 100% charm
- Fire damage attack that isn't reduced by Fire Damage Reduction skills and equipment?
- Charm that isn't curable with anti-Charm spells, or is RNG?
- Total RNG that Serena will be taken off-line before she can start to immunize people to charm?
- Hilariously wide RNG in terms of power from the boss. If she favors the slap, plant bite, and skill lock, you have any easy battle, but if her first turn is Crit + Fire Beam + Charm Serena, you may as well just soft-reset and reload. Oh, wait, there isn't a reset, so you need to wait until your entire party dies.

She exemplifies everything that is wrong with Stronger Enemies mode. The mode is definitely the way to play the game if the rest of it is far too easy, but the spikes are wildly exacerbated by some brutal RNG dependence on how the first two turns go down.

Yeah, I've killed it now after about an hour of trying but it wasn't by changing my strategy, it was pure luck that got me through. If you end up with more than one character dead you get stuck in a never-ending loop of healing, this time I was fortunate enough that I didn't get hit by many of the dreaded desperate attacks.

Sometimes the difficulty feels about right, other times I feel like they went overboard with the enemy damage modifier, which doesn't really work with combat so heavily based around dice rolls.

Also, you were right about the experience modifier. It was awful killing a liquid metal slime and getting nothing.
 

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I always vote for unique game experience that i never had before. So i vote for Detroit this year, and I don't think it gonna change. But I digress. lol

Draconian mode really impressed me. After hundreds of hours gameplay and countless hours of discussion, this new feature was still able to push me learn something new about this game. If the super monster and exp reduction modifiers were included in original version then It would have definitely be my GOTY.
I should beat Detroit..
 

riverfr0zen

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Oct 27, 2017
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Manhattan, New York
1) The Japanese version didn't have the dash feature, so it actually was much faster. It doesn't have as big of an effect in the western release since they added the dash, it's true. You can, however, run over low level enemies without having to fight them.

2) There is no point at all. See the title of this thread! Classic camera is best camera! Try it out.

Haha, ok, thanks for the tips.
 

Nose Master

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Oct 27, 2017
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Mt Pang Lai spoilers:

MRW learning the ultimate technique and I see how they spell it:

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Froli

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Oct 25, 2017
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What in the FUCK. I can't believe that just happened
Finding other characters and the last companion
 

Linkura

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm still early on I guess I just picked up my 2nd character, and the game really doesn't grab me yet, it's feeling like a worse version of Blue Dragon right now. The battles are too easy, the environments although big and semi-details feel dead. Towns are kind of ok but still there are only the people giving quests that are worthwhile to talk to.

Maybe the game will grab me in the next hour?
I didn't really get into it until I got the 3rd and 4th members. Beginning of the game is a slog.
 

zashga

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Oct 28, 2017
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So how rare are golden enemies supposed to be? I spent a half hour fighting cactus balls for a side quest and never saw a single golden one. Should the enemy appear sparkly outside of combat, or is that a completely separate thing?
 

QisTopTier

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Oct 25, 2017
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Juggling your party members around mid boss fight in this game feels so satisfying. Feels like it works here way better than most games. The fact they retain their buffs when you tag out is awesome too
 

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You can locate it in desert. But remember this is progress-related, if you progress further you need to find it in snowland.

If you go back to watch OP again( i mean the video with music), you can also find some memory segments that are only mentioned in the story but no visuals.
Dundrasil too? I seen him there.
 

Sanctuary

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Oct 27, 2017
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Super Strong monsters is a bit too hard at times. If you get a gang of random dudes pepping up, or launching double AoE while your debuffs don't stick they can cripple you. I'm in dire need of party heal/buff.

The desert boss was also hard if he manages to confuse and or blind you and again, if slow, blind and sap don't stick. Had 2 guys standing with level 15 party.

This is exactly why I stopped bothering with debuffs initially (later on you have access to more that seem to work, and one character in particular seems to be only good for debuffing and healing) on fights where I was slightly below, or very below the enemy levels. AFAIK it's not solely based off of your spellpower stat, but also your level compared to the monsters, but I could be wrong about that.

People go on and on about how awesome Sylvando is in combat, especially for his crowd control abilities. Even at ~420 CHA I have to disagree somewhat. He's great at group healing, and I also found him to be a way more reliable source of the Oomph spells compared to Veronica, because he's way more durable, but I haven't found any of his CC abilities other than Fuddle Dance to be useful at all. And even that only seems to be pretty good on equal level or below trash, but not bosses. His AoE spells don't seem to do much damage, and while he does have one CHA skill that does nice single target damage, it's not enough to warrant the MP instead of saving it for a heal or making sure your melee characters are Oomphed if they aren't yet.

But anyway, I actually took a somewhat early detour and went somewhere way out of the way where enemies were much higher level than me. It wasn't too terrible until I ran into a group that kept constantly pepping up and doing combo attacks and they kept calling for backup. So by the time I was able to actually kill one of them, they had just called in another. Debuffs didn't work at all, and I think it literally took me ten minutes for that fight before my party got wiped out (fleeing just wastes everyone's turn when it doesn't work, and it seems to work less than 50% of the time). It also seems like if you aren't at least equal level to the enemies (and sometimes even when you are) that they always get to attack your party first. I have agility rings on everyone too and whatever agility skills I could reasonably get. I once ran into a group that went first, but not only did they go first, they seemed to get an extra attack or two. There were only three enemies, but they got a total of five attacks before I could go. On top of that, they kept casting a party wide lightning spell that had a chance to paralyze. And it did. Fun times.

It sounds like when you posted you were still relatively early in the game too. You end up getting a party heal not much farther in after that boss. Also, I don't really get the "bosses are easy when you know their gimmicks" replies. Well duh, just like any game, but you don't know them until you stumble upon them. I also haven't been grinding, and only one boss took me more than two attempts to kill on Draconian. For the desert boss in particular, it didn't take me even six turns, but I guess I kind of "cheated" since on my second attempt my entire party was pepped up, and I also actually discovered what one of its weaknesses was on my first attempt, but it didn't really seem reliable due to the uncontrollable AI that kept interferring. The reason it seemed so ridiculously hard to me was because on my first attempt it literally did a desperate attack or crit for 235 damage twice. No one in my party had close to that amount of health at the time. Similar crap kept happening with at least half of the other bosses too.

Does anybody ever think instant kill spells are a fun inclusion in jrpgs?

I can't stand them. It's especially annoying when an enemy can cast one that hits two members at once, or some that are party wide. What's even worse though is that in some games where you have access to similar skills, you don't even get any experience when they work. Not sure if you do or not in this game though because due to the low success rate, I've only used it twice. Once was on accident.

When it's literally the only thing to evoke a sense of danger and the game gives you magic-blocking spells and instakill canceling ones, sure.

You mean magic blocking spells that you often can't even cast until after the enemies have already cast them? It's funny when you learn that an enemy has that ability, then when you next encounter them swap in the character that can prevent instant death, only for that character to be killed with the spell before they can block it.
 
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"Aren't you curious?" No, Rab I'm not that curious stop railroading me.
 

Dinjoralo

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I think I've kind of hit a wall.
What the heck do I do about Dora-In-Grey? Sylvando's the only one I have that can cure beguilement, so I'm basically screwed if he gets beguiled since I can't do anything to stop most of my party from killing each other.
I've got everyone around level 25.
 

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I think I've kind of hit a wall.
What the heck do I do about Dora-In-Grey? Sylvando's the only one I have that can cure beguilement, so I'm basically screwed if he gets beguiled since I can't do anything to stop most of my party from killing each other.
I've got everyone around level 25.
Craft ;)
 
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This is my first Dragon Quest, and I'm in love with it. I've been playing for around 26 hours, and I've just arrived in Nautica. How far am I? I don't want this thing to end any time soon.
 

Lulu

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Banishing blade with that armor set, sooo sick
 

Sanctuary

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I love the way that boss talked, and I also love how its actual name is a reflection of that. Almost like it named itself.

Avarith = Avarice

Is it not possible for an enemy to drop a specific item if you steal it?

Not sure. Different game, but in NNK2 you could either steal an item or have an enemy drop something, but it was always exclusively either. You could never steal and get a drop, which didn't seem right to me.


Did absolutely nothing for me other than elemental resist. Even then it barely made much of a difference. I had to just overcompensate with healing and hope for the best. Which worked... So far it was the only boss that took me more than two attempts, and it's kind of like the Capra Demon of this game I think.

I think I've kind of hit a wall.
What the heck do I do about Dora-In-Grey? Sylvando's the only one I have that can cure beguilement, so I'm basically screwed if he gets beguiled since I can't do anything to stop most of my party from killing each other.
I've got everyone around level 25.

Normal or Draconian? That fight was pretty damn hard on Draconian even at level 30-32.
 
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Raw64life

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just got wiped on level 72.

What does me in is when he gets to attack twice in quick succession. Our agility must be around the same level because I had 3 characters go, then he got his 3 attacks in, then I had 2 characters go, and then he got another 3 attacks. 6 attacks before either of my top 2 healers could go. Instant wipe :\

Was hoping to take him out today but it depends on how much luck grinding metal slimes I'll have for the rest of the night.
 

DPB

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I think I've kind of hit a wall.
What the heck do I do about Dora-In-Grey? Sylvando's the only one I have that can cure beguilement, so I'm basically screwed if he gets beguiled since I can't do anything to stop most of my party from killing each other.
I've got everyone around level 25.

You need Serena's Snap, Crackle and Poof ability that prevents status effects. But level 25 seems very low for that boss, even at 30 it was an incredible struggle on Draconian mode and I only defeated it by luck. Have you explored the rest of that region yet? There's another area around there you can go to that should be easier.