No shit they can employ him if they want to.
It's the fact that they want to that's the problem.
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Dragon Quest composer Koichi Sugiyama isn't happy just being a war crime denier, is anti-LGBT too!
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It's the fact that they want to that's the problem.
It's a bit complicated, because it's an "okama" character, where the distinction between "gay" and "transgender" isn't really distinct (Japanese culture), but the game wants you to take him seriously, and his story involves his family coming to accept him for who he is. He's a silly character, but he's not a punchline.
I haven't played the post game yet, though.
That I agree.
The best artists in the history are not know to follow the right path.
But that doesn't make comments like "SE need to fire him", "I won't support their games", etc... Square Enix and you are buying his works... not his life.
Its not hard to understand.
You give money to Square > Square gives money to Sugiyama > Sugiyama funnels money into racism/bigotry and war crime denying.
Its a bad businees. And the fault lies with Square for not cutting ties with this monster years ago.
Some people in here lol.
"Homophobia is just an opinion, man"
"I'm anti gay, am I a piece of shit now? lulululu"
Smh.
"Homophobia is just an opinion, man"
"I'm anti gay, am I a piece of shit now? lulululu"
Smh.
I don't have an Astolfo avatar but yes, yes they are.
The US did not care for the genocides in Asia and Europe until 1945 when their volume was discovered and documented. The fact that they ended them is a very happy side effect, but as far as I know, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour and that's the point where America entered the war. So, your argument that it was about reaching a conditionless surrender in order to stop the genocides cannot be the definitive answer.
Contributing factors for the deployment of the bomb were obviously showing off the weapon to the Soviets and being more cost effective than conventional bombs and soldiers. But the conditionless surrender of Japan was as inevitable as the one by Nazi Germany and was already approaching by the Soviet declaration of war. And this quote
"The entry of the Soviet Union pushed Japan to a point where surrender was inevitable. But at that point they were trying to find a way out of unconditional surrender. The first nuclear bomb weakened the resolve to hold out for conditions. The second ended it. The bombs weren't what made Japan surrender, they were what made Japan surrender unconditionally, immediately, without drawing out a war for months longer while they sought an exit that allowed concessions."
doesn't prove anything. It reads like a novel and doesn't provide any source.
To speak of the need for the Atomic bombs as a historical fact that cannot be put into question is laughable. You can be of this opinion, but it is far from consensus.
I understand what you mean, just not a fan of "character acts this way so they are gay".
I think I'll like the character, anyways.
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Well, maybe neither of us are in a position to say for sure. It was just my observation as say, China will always make films about Japanese WWII atrocities but then you hear stories about students dressing as nazi's. One is far removed enough for a lot of, maybe young people, that they don't take it as seriously.
Yeah, I'm out. As a gay man who has played and completed DQ IV, V, VI, VIII and IX, I can't bring myself to play another based on that video. Fuck him.
I know some people have issues, but I don't hate this archetype.
OMG I want this as my avatar! Also this basically confirms overt Okama-madness...
I hope it's better than persona 5 "all gays are pedo-rapists" bullshit
I don't understand why SE work with him. Do you think there would be an outcry from fans? The music isn't even that good.
Better be the last time, the midi backclash and now this, i think they are done with him.
Sylvia already looks better than any character in Dragon Quest 8. DAMN.
You need to stop. I love you but you trigger the fuck out of me with your DQ8 BM.
I promise you I'll be over with it by the time this game releases.
My grandmother can be quite racist and does not like gay people. She's 90 years old, trying to change her at this point is something not even worth trying. If you grew up thinking something it can be hard to change those views. Believe me, we tried.
The USSR declared war the same day the second bomb dropped. What you are arguing is broadly that "they would have surrendered without the bombs" which is true, but this consideration requires hindsight and does not take into account any timelines. They would have surrendered - but when?
There are two ways we could think about this:
- Did the people who decided to use the bomb have reason to believe that they were unnecessary for a surrender?
- Regardless of specific intentions, and using the benefit of hindsight, did the use of the bombs result in a net saving of life, or a net loss of life?
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It was extremely non-obvious to the decision makers at the time that by August 10 the decision would have been made, and the US planners were not operating under the assumption that two atomic bombs specifically would cause a surrender. While it was hoped that it might be a transformative weapon that could bring an end to the war, whether this would really "work" or not was a complete unknown. Authorization was given for the Army Air Force to just continue dropping bombs as soon as they arrived (after the initial date of August 3 - delayed due to bad weather to August 6), and this was concurrent to the Army preparing for their ground invasion. This was also concurrent with knowledge of the imminent Soviet entry into the war (specifically negotiated by Roosevelt six months or so prior), and alongside the intensifying blockade of the Home Islands.
The expectation was that atomic bombings and ground invasion and soviet attacks in China and blockade may be required to achieve surrender, possibly some time in 1946. No chances were taken and every measure available was utilized in an attempt to end the war in the shortest timeframe and with a minimum of American casualties. While they were not assuming that they would immediately end the war, they equally had no reason to believe that they were "unneeded" or "unnecessary".
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Completely unknowable. If they did officially surrender at the same time as in real life without the use of the bombs, then they resulted in many unnecessary deaths. If they expedited the surrender by a matter of weeks or months, then they probably saved lives in a net sense. That's a very cold and clinical way of considering the morality involved, but since this is so often used as a talking point it's necessary to mention it.
Being almost 50, for me it's more easy to understand what's in the mind of an 80 years old, because it's so clear: he lived in a different world with different rules and different "socially acceptable behaviors"
Of course some of his thoughts are out of time nowadays, some of them even despicable, but before condamning him I look at myself in 30 years and what I expect is not to be loved or appreciated by complete strangers that have nothing to share with me because they are 60 years younger and so different and fuck them all because they are noisy and like fucking unicorns and drink colored stuff and doesn't eat healthy like in the old times...
so yeah Sugiyama-San just shut the fuck up and I promise you'll die in peace I'm not here to judge you... just don't share my world like this, anymore, please...
Of course some of his thoughts are out of time nowadays, some of them even despicable, but before condamning him I look at myself in 30 years and what I expect is not to be loved or appreciated by complete strangers that have nothing to share with me because they are 60 years younger and so different and fuck them all because they are noisy and like fucking unicorns and drink colored stuff and doesn't eat healthy like in the old times...
so yeah Sugiyama-San just shut the fuck up and I promise you'll die in peace I'm not here to judge you... just don't share my world like this, anymore, please...
The dilemma I have about this series. Really all that can be said is fuck sugiyama. Im still getting this game because it's really just sugiyama that's the issue and all the other devs/ and localizers shouldn't be punished for one asshole who only makes music.
You're not lying when old people are set in their ways, that's it, you can't change them for nothin. Tbh i'm not surprised by the views Koichi holds, he is old as hell, the guy is damn near 90.
Most of us probably have an older relative that we love in spite of their views. But there isn't any need to overlap that with a public figure who has power to actively affect people negatively.
Like, you would probably love your homophobic but otherwise nice 95-year old grandmother a little less if you found out that she was actively campaigning against basic lgbt rights.
Like, you would probably love your homophobic but otherwise nice 95-year old grandmother a little less if you found out that she was actively campaigning against basic lgbt rights.
After hearing the DQ XI overworld theme for hours, you'll wish Square enix fired him.
DQ needs new blood.
DQ needs new blood.
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This one makes me think of the Bill Burr joke - the guy is an 87 year old conservative war crime denier... what do you think he thought!?
One can only hope that his music brought more joy than his politics brought suffering.
C'mon now...
One can only hope that his music brought more joy than his politics brought suffering.
C'mon now...
I know most fans will disagree, but I always though music was the worst part of Dragon Quest games. I'd love to hear something new.
Yup.
It is so bad, and in MIDI form as well.
Ears will bleed.
Honestly, I hope the game bombs so we don't have to suffer though this type of release ever again.
I like JRPG, but I can't support DQ.
Is your grandmother an active activist appearing on talk shows and paying for newspaper ads and editorials that further her views? Is she still making tons of money from contributing to a well loved and highly profitable entertainment franchise?
If not I don't see what the point is. Who cares if Sugiyama can't change? Everyone around him can by not giving him the time of the day. He's a fucking lowlife.
User Banned (2 Weeks): Downplaying homophobia and denial of war crimes. History of dismissing sensitive concerns.
The only people you're burning by choosing not to purchase DQ games are other DQ fans. It is not a crime to be ignorant, and his personal beliefs are of no matter. I get people want to give some kind of response to dickheadish behavior, but you look silly.
The only silly thing here is watching people to downplay Sugiyama as having bad opinions and being dickish, and then declaring the real problem is people who are sick of his actions and take action. Actually it's not silly, it's really entertaining. Please continue. :)
His personal beliefs are funding war-crime denying propaganda. How is that of no matter, when he is influencing other people by the money he gets by S-E?
Does your grandmother create a political hate group that tries to push out national and global policy?
This guy has immense power because people like SE and DQ fans keep donating their money to him.
Even after his death, his foundation will continue on due to royalty and licensing fee. I am 100% sure DQ fans will buy millions of his CDs to keep funding his foundation after his death.
His legacy of hatred will always live on.
Sad.
Just sad.
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