I think they did that because they could get FFXV running on the Switch. It barely run well on a high end PC because the coding for the game is pretty bad.
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Dragon Quest XI Definitive Edition exclusive features makes me disappointed!
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I think they did that because they could get FFXV running on the Switch. It barely run well on a high end PC because the coding for the game is pretty bad.
The absolute hysterics over third parties daring to accept Nintendo's money for exclusive content.
There was plenty of moaning about Sony when Destiny got exclusive content tbf
At the end of the day it really makes no sense for the changes to come to the PS4/PC versions, they were more or less additions to go here's a reason to buy this version that you had to wait 1-2 years to get. If they came to the PS4, people would have been pissed they had to wait and other platforms got the content for less money.
Needless to say it's smarter to piss off the people who already gave you their money instead of potential customers.
Needless to say it's smarter to piss off the people who already gave you their money instead of potential customers.
Looking for a "definitive" version of any Dragon Quest game only leads to sorrow
1: Content wise, all ports/remakes are the same. But... the Switch version, probably the easiest to play, has some weird graphics "improvements"
2: Same as 1, content is the same, preference is just on graphics between mobile and Switch version and if you want to play the game on mobile or not
3: There is no definitive version. All modern ports/remakes are missing content from both the Super Famicom and GBC remakes. The GBC version is feature complete, but it's on the GBC. The Super Famicom remake has arguably the best graphics, but is missing GBC features and was never released outside Japan. The Switch port also has the same weird graphics as 1 and 2
4: DS remake is missing features. Mobile port has these features back, but is "stuck" on mobile. No console release outside of original NES game and Japanese only PS remake (which the DS remake is based off of).
5: PS2 version has arguably the best graphics, but never left Japan. DS remake was, though, and is good. Mobile version is basically the same as DS. No console release for DS version.
6: DS/Mobile remake is missing monster catching, Super Famicom version never left Japan. No other console version.
7: Best version is forever stuck on 3DS, and if it ever leaves the 3DS will be stuck to Nintendo consoles
8: PS2 version is missing features from the 3DS remake, but 3DS remake lacks orchestrated music of the PS2 version and has worse graphics
9: Only ever released on DS
10: Never released outside Japan
11: Switch version has the most features, but graphics aren't as good as PS4/PC version
Basically, if you want a definitive console version of the Dragon Quest series you're... not going to ever find it, other than maybe 10, but that never left Japan!
1: Content wise, all ports/remakes are the same. But... the Switch version, probably the easiest to play, has some weird graphics "improvements"
2: Same as 1, content is the same, preference is just on graphics between mobile and Switch version and if you want to play the game on mobile or not
3: There is no definitive version. All modern ports/remakes are missing content from both the Super Famicom and GBC remakes. The GBC version is feature complete, but it's on the GBC. The Super Famicom remake has arguably the best graphics, but is missing GBC features and was never released outside Japan. The Switch port also has the same weird graphics as 1 and 2
4: DS remake is missing features. Mobile port has these features back, but is "stuck" on mobile. No console release outside of original NES game and Japanese only PS remake (which the DS remake is based off of).
5: PS2 version has arguably the best graphics, but never left Japan. DS remake was, though, and is good. Mobile version is basically the same as DS. No console release for DS version.
6: DS/Mobile remake is missing monster catching, Super Famicom version never left Japan. No other console version.
7: Best version is forever stuck on 3DS, and if it ever leaves the 3DS will be stuck to Nintendo consoles
8: PS2 version is missing features from the 3DS remake, but 3DS remake lacks orchestrated music of the PS2 version and has worse graphics
9: Only ever released on DS
10: Never released outside Japan
11: Switch version has the most features, but graphics aren't as good as PS4/PC version
Basically, if you want a definitive console version of the Dragon Quest series you're... not going to ever find it, other than maybe 10, but that never left Japan!
The game came out later on Switch so they added additional features to make it attractive to consumers who may be reluctant to buy a "late" port/double dip.
This isn't even unique to Dragon Quest, many ports to Switch include additional features to make them more appealing. Are we going to campaign for the Wii U version of Mario Kart 8 to be patched with all the Deluxe content?
This isn't even unique to Dragon Quest, many ports to Switch include additional features to make them more appealing. Are we going to campaign for the Wii U version of Mario Kart 8 to be patched with all the Deluxe content?
When a company pays for exclusivity, the payment is frequently in marketing spend, not an actual flat payment. Clearly Nintendo helped to market DQ11 Switch. It's also not unusual for exclusivity deals to have a minimum guarantee payment on sales so that if the game underperforms, the developer is still guaranteed a certain amount of money.
Also in addition to the stuff you mentioned, most Dragon Quest games ports/remakes lower the difficulty which IMO is a downgrade other than maybe DQ1 & 2.
Just all of my time to play through the game again to get to the new content?
At the least the switch version does help this via skip cutscene and the 4x battle speed. Hell grinding was made stupid easy thanks to this.
The worst part is that it's called "definitive" and got the extra content, but it is a serious downgrade in presentation, especially from PC where it can run at 144fps+ high resolution. The environments and animations all look way better in the "non-definitive" version.
Similarly, I still would rather play VIII on PS2 than 3DS. It doesn't have the added content but the visual presentation is so much better on a big widescreen TV and with the better graphics. (Especially if you use PCSX2)
Similarly, I still would rather play VIII on PS2 than 3DS. It doesn't have the added content but the visual presentation is so much better on a big widescreen TV and with the better graphics. (Especially if you use PCSX2)
If you do metal slimes right you should never really have to grind a lot in DQ games
Nintendo exclusivity could be a year or more. Since SE was reported as saying that this definite edition would've never happened if it weren't for Iwata's involvement means that Nintendo paid a pretty penny for a chunk of exclusives. Nothing is forever exclusive but since DQ 11 sales are lacklustre I would think Nintendo took a bigger risk than SE to release them on Switch by taking on more expenses.
Hey, does your rig run it 144hz with no drops? I have a 9900KF and 2080 Super and it fluctuates on 144hz for me.
I bought the collectors edition of DQXI on ps4. And I would be willing to pay 14.99 or even 19.99 for the DLC. But I am not paying 59.99 even if I own a switch. It sucks that they just refuse to make more money. Do they think that it wouldn't sell? There is definitely something against them releasing this.
100% this, it's not as if XI is some out of this world looker on PS4/PC where being on switch made it look substantially worse.
The game came out later which explains why so many previous games have exclussive content, that way it's easier for them to try and sell that older game for a premium price.
There should not be any third party exclusive deals but this is not a charity, they want you as their customer regardless of their own studio output. I don't know why big developers like Square-Enix can't get their act together and need these silly exclusive deals, same with Final Fantasy VII Remake.
There should not be any third party exclusive deals but this is not a charity, they want you as their customer regardless of their own studio output. I don't know why big developers like Square-Enix can't get their act together and need these silly exclusive deals, same with Final Fantasy VII Remake.
I would like the added story and orchestra audio would make it to other platforms. Especially in this era of DLC.
The Orchestra mod on PC is a godsend. The difference between Switch and 4K PC with reshade (with the MXAO Ambient Occlusion and Clarity filter) and Engine.ini tweaks (for LOD, Motion Blur, Sharpening and better TAA) makes it feel like a Remaster graphically. Even if MXAO is glitchy in some spots.
The Orchestra mod on PC is a godsend. The difference between Switch and 4K PC with reshade (with the MXAO Ambient Occlusion and Clarity filter) and Engine.ini tweaks (for LOD, Motion Blur, Sharpening and better TAA) makes it feel like a Remaster graphically. Even if MXAO is glitchy in some spots.
I honestly don't understand the consumer complaint here. I'm not trying to be obtuse. We knew the eventual Switch version would be much delayed and uglier, but have exclusive content before the PS4 version even released in the West.
I skipped the PS4 version as a result, I remember cancelling my preorder in favor of it. By the time the Switch version released at full price, which I bought- I observed myself that the price of the PS4 release had dropped pretty deep. It seems like there was a fair comparative value component here to me.
I understand WANTING the extra content, and I legit do hope that someday it releases as dlc (ideally a free patch actually but I doubt they'd do the necessary hundreds to thousands of man-hours of work for a old release free) but acting like they're the exact same product but for the new content ignores the context of the release imo
I am fine with DQ11S if Nintendo published and paid for it...SE should at least patch FF12 and KH BbS saving menu back to the PS4 version
Port begging is absolutely fine in its own thread. It's detrimental when it shits up legitimate threads about the game.
And yeah, locking these features to a technically inferior version of a game that I love is pretty disappointing. At least we'll eventually have an emulated version.
Yes, it was na awful move by SE... It saddens me to put Dragon Quest in the pile of franchises that I'll never buy day one, because there will a better version down the line (and probably a used copy). A shame, as it was a series I always expected not to fall for those practices.
How's wanting parity between a game released for two consoles on the same generation port begging?
It was funny times when people thought the Switch version was going to be the 3DS version upscaled lol In early 2019 I was very close to get the PS4 copy, but I waited to know the formal announcement for the Switch one. I think it was a worth wait.
I think some folk were genuinely hoping for that, tbh, if the tone of the posts were anything to go by
Yeah 9900k/2080ti
I drop some things from max in graphics to keep it pegged if I want, maxed out it runs in the 100s+
It is still begging for exclusive content for the pre-existing version of two different platforms though. Port begging just rolls off the tongue easier.
Same almost but maybe I should have gotten the 2080ti but it is expensive.
Ah I got it just cause it was on sale + no tax. At this point I'd wait for the 30-series if you were thinking up upgrading but a 2080 should be good for a while. Chasing the top end is expensive though for sure. I've been thinking of preemptively flipping the 2080ti before they drop the new cards.
True, but to be fair, Dragon Quest is likely a rare example due to the difficulty of the music rights. That was almost assuredly a flat rate paid by Nintendo.
Sounds like a superb idea. You always give me helpful tips concerning PC gaming topics. Many thanks.
Good for you, though there are also people who bought the Asian or Japanese version like me.
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This has always been the case with Dragon Quest ports (they always add extra content on top whenever it comes to a new system), so I don't really mind to be honest. You still get an absurdly content rich game to begin with (even if it makes less sense in the age of patches, but w/e).
Got both versions. Played through the PS4 version as I couldn't give up the resolution. Music is a non factor for me as I barely want to support Sugiyama as it is. That being said all versions of the game are great and it is, hands down , the best jrpg this generation.
I hit 180 hours and just got to act 3. The game is insane!
This too..
I hit 180 hours and just got to act 3. The game is insane!
For a second, I thought the OP is disappointed by the features, not the exclusivity deal.
Nintendo helped the funding. It is what it is, OP.
Nintendo helped the funding. It is what it is, OP.
As someone that bought the game on PS4 and Switch, I agree it sucks for people that played it on something besides Switch, but I'm glad the Switch version of the game exists and got me to play it twice. So if the options are only Switch version gets these features or no definitive edition exists at all, I'll definitely take the former.
"This is toxic!" made me choke on my food though, so thanks for that.
"This is toxic!" made me choke on my food though, so thanks for that.