Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age – Definitive Edition |OT| 2D, or not 2D, that is the question

Neoweee

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you can’t even do two of the orb quest until after you get the magic key, so I think it’s your estimate that is off base
Eh, those don't really take more than 3~4 hours. That's pretty much all that remains. If you're on Stronger Monsters, it helps to clear out pretty much everything you can do before that difficult boss. For me it was at around ~30 hours, when I finished Act 1 somewhere between 34 and 35 hours.

Saying that where he's at is on pace for a 60-hour Act 1 is wildly, vastly off base.
 
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ShinobiBk

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So I finally beat the demo at 12 hours lol. That has to be the longest demo I've ever seen.

Now I can finally pop the full game into my Switch!
 

cdm00

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Huh, that's a weird estimate, but I guess it is pretty open. For me it was 90% through Act 1.
I've played Act 1 in the same order both times, but I'm pretty sure you can mix everything up, like do Phnom Nonh, then Sniflheim, Arboria 1st visit, then Lonalulu. The ship seriously blows the game wide open. I always think that Erdrea is a tiny world, but it's huge. I just blow through the game really quick whoops lol
 

Clay

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Wow, people weren't kidding about the (spoilers for right after Puerto Valor)
mermaid story, I was not expecting that shift in tone. I'm really surprised by the shades of grey in this game's storytelling. Western RPGs seem to be associated more with ambiguous morality but the way DQ11 handles some scenes is really nuanced in a way I don't expect from video games. I think the last game that impressed me like this was the Witcher 3 with stuff like the Bloody Baron quest.

The mermaid storyline is a great example. The villagers are warm, welcoming, happy-go-lucky islanders... who ruined a man's life over a misunderstanding. Even after you learn the truth about the mermaid's "curse" the islanders are still characterized as carefree and content. It's interesting how the game doesn't at all make a show of pointing at the twist that they've something terrible.

I've noticed stuff like this in a few other scenes as well. I haven't played one in quite awhile so I don't have any particular scenes to point out, but BioWare games seem to always have extremely heavy-handed commentary on class. You'll go to a huge city and there will be a ghetto full of elves or something, and all of the humans who live in the nicer part of town will be overtly racist.

Compare that to Heliodor, where you can easily infer that most people were born into their station in life. The affluent people who live near the castle come from wealthy families, and while there are thieves and other criminals in the area Erik is from there are also shopowners just trying to get by. The affluent people seem generally pleasant. Though some will make comments about the "riff-raff" in the other area they seem happy and friendly for the most part. Clearly the people in the poorer area are victims of injustice and seemingly are neglected by the king, but the game doesn't feel that need to rub your face in that fact.

Then there's great little details where the facade comes apart a bit. There's a house near the castle you can sneak into through the chimney. Examining a bookshelf reveals a note where the owner explains that he keeps his treasure chest on his second-story patio where everyone can see it because he likes that poorer people will wonder what's in it. I can't remember the exact language but it makes the owner sound like a psychopath.

Some people might say there's no commentary in the game and it's meant to be a happy fairy tale throughout, but a lot of these details are fascinating to me. I almost never play games for the story and don't tend to like RPGs in general (for example almost all Final Fantasy games are extremely boring to me). I bought this solely based on Tim Rogers' review and I'm blown away with how much I love it.

Was challenged for the first time in the game so far, Tentacular took me 3 or 4 tries, but I managed to beat him without grinding. I’m perfectly happy with the difficulty being on the easier side, I prefer a bit of a joyride through jrpgs, but it was nice to be on the edge of my seat there a bit.
The last couple bosses have been a little hard for me. I had literally one character left standing at the Octagonia boss (from my initial party, at the time I didn't realize that if you wipe the game automatically swaps in your other party members). I beat the Tentacular my first try but I had three characters left alive out of my whole party and I was rapidly running out of MP for healing spells. I'm a little worried about the next boss and wondering if I should grind a bit. I'd have to double check but IIRC my characters are around level 24.
 

julian

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Oh no a casino....guess I’ll buy 100 tokens.

what’s this Gootastic slot machine? WHY ARE THERE SO MANY INSTRUCTIONS?!

2 minutes later - oh I lost 50 tokens. fuck this.

Time to try traditional slots with my other 50 tokens!

1 hour later - I’ve just been pressing A and have over 5500 tokens. Cool?
I’m guessing there’s tons of ways to break the economy here.
 

Clay

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Oct 29, 2017
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Oh no a casino....guess I’ll buy 100 tokens.

what’s this Gootastic slot machine? WHY ARE THERE SO MANY INSTRUCTIONS?!

2 minutes later - oh I lost 50 tokens. fuck this.

Time to try traditional slots with my other 50 tokens!

1 hour later - I’ve just been pressing A and have over 5500 tokens. Cool?
I’m guessing there’s tons of ways to break the economy here.
The prizes aren't really worth it though. I already had my main character specced into broadswords so I got the tokens for it by pressing A while watching TV. It seemed ridiculously powerful when I first got it, and it's still the most powerful weapon I've seen, but after just a few hours I can already buy swords at weapons shops that are pretty close.

So yeah, it's really easy to get tokens, but the payoff isn't worth going out of your way for IMO.
 

julian

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The prizes aren't really worth it though. I already had my main character specced into broadswords so I got the tokens for it by pressing A while watching TV. It seemed ridiculously powerful when I first got it, and it's still the most powerful weapon I've seen, but after just a few hours I can already buy swords at weapons shops that are pretty close.

So yeah, it's really easy to get tokens, but the payoff isn't worth going out of your way for IMO.
Well that’s sad

edit: lol. And I just hit jackpot in metal mode. 30k tokens baby!
 
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Schlauchkopf

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I've played Act 1 in the same order both times, but I'm pretty sure you can mix everything up, like do Phnom Nonh, then Sniflheim, Arboria 1st visit, then Lonalulu. The ship seriously blows the game wide open. I always think that Erdrea is a tiny world, but it's huge. I just blow through the game really quick whoops lol
How would you get to Phnom Nonh without the item from the Lonalulu storyline? And you need to do that for Sniflheim etc.
 

Disclaimer

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Oct 25, 2017
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Eh, the rewards are certainly worth it, as long as you don't mind spending the time. The greatsword will last you a good way into Act 2 when forged, and the Mercury Bandanas likewise last a long time with their AGI boost.

If you're having fun, the spear is also a good upgrade, but less worth it, because you'll get the recipe to forge it in an upcoming dungeon.
 

skittzo0413

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Oct 25, 2017
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Anything I should know before heading to the
Seat of Shadows?

Like, is it a point of no return thing? Anything I should take care of before?

What was Rab’s? I’m soooooo mad
Hendrik doesn’t get his hilarious clown costume as an actual outfit :(
Rab's was basically the same as the other guy's.
 

thecowboypoet

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Oct 25, 2017
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I am loving THE HECK out of this game. This whole year has been a bit of a JRPG resurgence for me since I played FFXV and FFXII for the first time. I also had a blast with Builders 2 and have enjoyed seeing some enemies from that game realized in 11. I did play DQ9 when it came out, I breezed through most of it, got to the final boss, discovered I was horribly under levelled and thought "well I've seen enough of this game". That was almost a decade ago. But I can't see myself dropping 11. I'm about 32 hours into it. Which I think puts me still in Act 1?
I've tracked down two Falcon Blades and dual wielding for the hero. Damn.
I'm already worrying about what I'll do when this is finished. Is Dragon Quest 3 worth playing on the Switch? Does it feel archaic in comparison to 11? I'm guessing so.
 
Jan 3, 2018
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I am loving THE HECK out of this game. This whole year has been a bit of a JRPG resurgence for me since I played FFXV and FFXII for the first time. I also had a blast with Builders 2 and have enjoyed seeing some enemies from that game realized in 11. I did play DQ9 when it came out, I breezed through most of it, got to the final boss, discovered I was horribly under levelled and thought "well I've seen enough of this game". That was almost a decade ago. But I can't see myself dropping 11. I'm about 32 hours into it. Which I think puts me still in Act 1?
I've tracked down two Falcon Blades and dual wielding for the hero. Damn.
I'm already worrying about what I'll do when this is finished. Is Dragon Quest 3 worth playing on the Switch? Does it feel archaic in comparison to 11? I'm guessing so.
You'll know when act 1 ends.

DQ III feels pretty archaic imo but the DS/Mobile remakes of IV onward are really fun.
 

Joltik

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Quick brief question does the Charm stat affect the effectiveness and power of Silvando's and Jade's Showmanship/Lithiness and Allure abilities?
 

Lord Vatek

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Jan 18, 2018
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I am loving THE HECK out of this game. This whole year has been a bit of a JRPG resurgence for me since I played FFXV and FFXII for the first time. I also had a blast with Builders 2 and have enjoyed seeing some enemies from that game realized in 11. I did play DQ9 when it came out, I breezed through most of it, got to the final boss, discovered I was horribly under levelled and thought "well I've seen enough of this game". That was almost a decade ago. But I can't see myself dropping 11. I'm about 32 hours into it. Which I think puts me still in Act 1?
I've tracked down two Falcon Blades and dual wielding for the hero. Damn.
I'm already worrying about what I'll do when this is finished. Is Dragon Quest 3 worth playing on the Switch? Does it feel archaic in comparison to 11? I'm guessing so.
If you have a 3DS I recommend getting Dragon Quest VIII for it. It's probably the closest to XI in terms of story and gameplay.
 

Brock Reiher

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Oct 25, 2017
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I am loving THE HECK out of this game. This whole year has been a bit of a JRPG resurgence for me since I played FFXV and FFXII for the first time. I also had a blast with Builders 2 and have enjoyed seeing some enemies from that game realized in 11. I did play DQ9 when it came out, I breezed through most of it, got to the final boss, discovered I was horribly under levelled and thought "well I've seen enough of this game". That was almost a decade ago. But I can't see myself dropping 11. I'm about 32 hours into it. Which I think puts me still in Act 1?
I've tracked down two Falcon Blades and dual wielding for the hero. Damn.
I'm already worrying about what I'll do when this is finished. Is Dragon Quest 3 worth playing on the Switch? Does it feel archaic in comparison to 11? I'm guessing so.
You should be well past act 1, act 2 is at the 20/25 hour mark.

Dragon Quest 11 is basically a longer/bloated remake of 2, so you could try that. 3 is much less character focused.
 

Good Hunter

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Amazing game. First JRPG I've been this impressed by since Pokemon Silver on Game Boy (I don't play that many JRPGs I'm sorry ok)

I guess I must be playing it faster than everyone. I did the demo in 7 hours. I'm now 15 hours in and haven't done a sidequest yet. I just watched the cutscene where
Jade catches Hero and they fall in the river.
If that's 15 hours in and I only do the main story, how long should I expect my total playtime to be?
 

TheWraith

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Oct 28, 2017
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I'm already worrying about what I'll do when this is finished. Is Dragon Quest 3 worth playing on the Switch? Does it feel archaic in comparison to 11? I'm guessing so.
DQ3 might be archai but is still great, but whatever you do AVOID the Switch/Android versions. If you want an upgrade from the original famicon/NES version, the DQ3 version on SFC/SNES would be the way to go imho.
 

PlayBee

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Nov 8, 2017
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65 hours in, almost done with the postgame. Just some Switch (and 3DS?) exclusive bosses left. Not really crazy about the additional story content in the Switch version (played first on PC) but the QoL improvements were really nice.
 

Feltrol

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Oct 27, 2017
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Just beat Sniflheim's boss. Even with the best-suited gear for my main party, it still was a difficult fight.

A quick thought: Rab's Multiheal is a total scam. Sylvando can do better with just 12 MP while Rab needs 36 MP. Also, Hustle Dance is totally required on Draconian mode.
Sylvando has really grown on me after using him.

DQ3 might be archai but is still great, but whatever you do AVOID the Switch/Android versions. If you want an upgrade from the original famicon/NES version, the DQ3 version on SFC/SNES would be the way to go imho.
What's wrong with the Switch version of DQ3?
 

Tailzo

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Oct 27, 2017
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DQ3 might be archai but is still great, but whatever you do AVOID the Switch/Android versions. If you want an upgrade from the original famicon/NES version, the DQ3 version on SFC/SNES would be the way to go imho.
Are the snes versions of the 3 first DQ games even for sale on modern platforms?
 

Heartskips

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not sure if I would recommend 3 for people who liked 11, even though I like 3 more. If old school RPGs are up your alley, then yes, but the way the story is told is very different because of the lack of actual characters in the party.

What's wrong with the Switch version of DQ3?
No idea content wise, but it's so ugly in comparison to the SNES version and I don't think it has the cool animations from it as well.
 

Bulebule

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Oct 27, 2017
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Just reached Gondolia. It is kind of shame 2D-version does not have quick teleport to campsites, but the world is much smaller so it is compensated by that. Also, no horse racing in 2D-mode. I really wanted to try that :/
 

Stevo

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Jan 29, 2019
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Just reached Gondolia. It is kind of shame 2D-version does not have quick teleport to campsites, but the world is much smaller so it is compensated by that. Also, no horse racing in 2D-mode. I really wanted to try that :/
I'm still pottering around that area too. I had to run from a battle in that area. :o
 

HeRinger

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Oct 28, 2017
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Is it worth it grinding in the cassino for the 100k greatsword before the higher stakes poker tables and slots are unlocked? I've made 25k so far in the poker table.
 

BassForever

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Is it worth it grinding in the cassino for the 100k greatsword before the higher stakes poker tables and slots are unlocked? I've made 25k so far in the poker table.
It’ll make your hero pretty OP for the next 10-15 hours depending upon the order you do some stuff. I was at the 35 hour mark when I found the same weapon in question naturally.
 

Disclaimer

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is it worth it grinding in the cassino for the 100k greatsword before the higher stakes poker tables and slots are unlocked? I've made 25k so far in the poker table.
It's worth it if you have the time, but it's not required by any means, especially if you aren't doing draconian.

Regular slots (the 10-base machines) are way more consistent/efficient than poker, IMO. You can literally just press A for a couple hours betting 90 and make 100k+ — guaranteed, with virtually no risk, due to the way Metal Mode favors the player — rather than the constant input / risk assessment required for poker.
 

Robin64

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Oct 25, 2017
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I need to get an auto controller for slots...

Any recommendations? The cheaper the better, this is all it would be for.
 
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CrichtonKicks

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Just beat Sniflheim's boss. Even with the best-suited gear for my main party, it still was a difficult fight.

A quick thought: Rab's Multiheal is a total scam. Sylvando can do better with just 12 MP while Rab needs 36 MP. Also, Hustle Dance is totally required on Draconian mode.
Sylvando has really grown on me after using him.



What's wrong with the Switch version of DQ3?
I think the Switch version of DW3 is quite good. It’s a shame that the enemies don’t have animations but that’s been the case for almost every version of DQ3 released in the post 20 years. The new entry portraits may be an acquired taste but they don’t clash nearly as much as they do in the Switch version of DQ1.
Plus the localization is far better than you get in the fan patch for the SNES version or the localization from the GBC.

I have no hesitation recommending the Switch/Mobile versions of DQ3 for anyone who wants to play it now.
 

THANKS

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Oct 22, 2018
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Curious difference between 2D mode and 3D mode. In 2D mode items dropped by monster go into a characters inventory whereas in 3D they go into the item bag.

Just finished a Tockington quest and Jade now has four pages of items.
 

Cugel

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Nov 7, 2017
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Oh no a casino....guess I’ll buy 100 tokens.

what’s this Gootastic slot machine? WHY ARE THERE SO MANY INSTRUCTIONS?!

2 minutes later - oh I lost 50 tokens. fuck this.

Time to try traditional slots with my other 50 tokens!

1 hour later - I’ve just been pressing A and have over 5500 tokens. Cool?
I’m guessing there’s tons of ways to break the economy here.
Which machine ? I seem to loose all my coins and never win :(
 

skittzo0413

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is it worth it grinding in the cassino for the 100k greatsword before the higher stakes poker tables and slots are unlocked? I've made 25k so far in the poker table.
The nice thing about doing the casino early is that you can build up a huge number of tokens early on so that when the casino gets new stock in (or the second one opens up) you don't need to really do much grinding anymore, you'll still have all the tokens you won early on.

Actually if I'm not mistaken the main story requires you to win a few thousand tokens at one point. It's made easier if you already have a few hundred thousand from early in the game.
 

Sir Hound

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Oct 28, 2017
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Just bought this with a voucher from work - hoping there's enough space on my Switch for it to have downloaded by the time I get home. Looking forward to jumping back in, the demo was excellent.
 

THANKS

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Oct 22, 2018
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I am sure that when I started playing this game there was an option to move all items from a character to the item bag. Now I can't find it.

Can anyone help me out?
 

julian

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Oct 27, 2017
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Which machine ? I seem to loose all my coins and never win :(
It was one of the single coin standard slot machines. I have no idea what’s going on in that slime quest machine. Built up enough to switch to the 10s and was still winning regularly. It’s just boring to hit A so much.
 

ned_ballad

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It was one of the single coin standard slot machines. I have no idea what’s going on in that slime quest machine. Built up enough to switch to the 10s and was still winning regularly. It’s just boring to hit A so much.
Does anyone actually know what's going on in Slime Quest lol?

I googled it a few days ago, and most people were like "I have no idea what's happening???"
 
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julian

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Oct 27, 2017
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Does anyone actually know what's going on in Slime Quest lol?

I googled it a few days ago, and most people were like "I have no idea what's happening???"
You know damn well there’s somebody out there that has beaten the whole thing on one token. “You can control when it stops!” It spins so fucking fast!!
 

ned_ballad

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Slot machines make no sense!

Does the DQ universe have electricity? Where are the power plants? Are they magical?

Where did the designers of the slot machines learn about monsters that don't exist in Erdrea, like Imps, so they could include them in the art?

The lore! It makes no sense!