Dragon Quest XI Will support Native 4K on PC, Learn From Nier: Automata's Problems

Dinjoralo · Apr 10, 2018

https://www.usgamer.net/articles/dragon-quest-xi-pc-details-native-4k

Nier: Automata was critically acclaimed when it was released this time last year. Its PC version had a tougher time, though, suffering multiple problems that persisted for months. Dragon Quest XI's team is well aware of these problems, says assistant producer Hikari Kubota, and is keen to avoid them.

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As for what the PC version will ultimately offer, Kubota says it won't be a straight port. It will include "additional settings and options to appease players," and will run in native 4K. The team is currently evaluating what settings they can add.

It is nice to see Square Enix at least mention the problems Nier Automata has on PC, they at least seem to be aware of them. Even better if they actually learned from it.

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Exentryk · Apr 10, 2018

More games Becoming as Gods!

--R · Apr 10, 2018

If they learned from them, what better than actually release a patch? That makes me really wary of the DQXI PC version. Not even a single patch is really shitty.

cw_sasuke · Apr 10, 2018

I mean its a PC release in 2018....it better offers 4K support.

Nanashrew · Apr 10, 2018

I like that they acknowledge Nier has some problems on PC and have yet to do anything about it lol

shan780 · Apr 10, 2018

if they are aware of it then why not patch nier?

edit: beaten

Mifec · Apr 10, 2018

cw_sasuke said:
I mean its a PC release in 2018....it better offers 4K support.

Not only that, it's a UE4 game.

Hopefully it's 60fps too which shouldn't be a problem.

Xavi · Apr 10, 2018

That just sounds like a NieR patch is never coming lol, amazing.

Durante · Apr 10, 2018

cw_sasuke said:
I mean its a PC release in 2018....it better offers 4K support.

Actually, given that it's a 3D PC game at any point in time at all, it should support absolutely any arbitrary rendering resolution available on the platform it is running on.

This whole new focus on "4k support" seems to come from console marketing and is inherently a misfit for PC.

Sub Level · Apr 10, 2018

I recently sunk multiple playthroughs into Nier: A on pc and didn't have any issues. Never even bothered downloading the fan graphical pack. But its good that DQ XI will be a focus for them.

Phoenix Splash · Apr 10, 2018

Aaaaaw yaaaaas

What about 21:9 support? :) I know there will be people that will get it there somehow, but an official response is always nice. FF XV's release on PC should be the stone that sets the way for SE's PC ports as far as options and settings go

Deleted member 8196 · Apr 10, 2018

They know about Nier's problem but they aren't patching the game.

Akronis · Apr 10, 2018

Durante said:
Actually, given that it's a 3D PC game at any point in time at all, it should support absolutely any arbitrary rendering resolution available on the platform it is running on.

This whole new focus on "4k support" seems to come from console marketing and is inherently a misfit for PC.

UI scaling is most likely what they're referring to (I hope).

Mifec · Apr 10, 2018

Durante said:
Actually, given that it's a 3D PC game at any point in time at all, it should support absolutely any arbitrary rendering resolution available on the platform it is running on.

This whole new focus on "4k support" seems to come from console marketing and is inherently a misfit for PC.

It's like when they use 60fps as a selling point. That should be normal on PC, hell same for unlocked.

Wereroku · Apr 10, 2018

Stygr said:
They know about Nier's problem but they aren't patching the game.

Well I mean I don't think DQXI's producer has any say in what they do with Nier's pc patches. You kind of need to bring that up to the Nier producer/Platinum.

Keym · Apr 10, 2018

Knowing about Nier's problems =/= knowing how to fix them I guess.

Aeana · Apr 10, 2018

I hope it's actually arbitrary resolution support.
I don't know who's porting this, but the dev who worked on the PS4 version did some work on the PC version of DQ10, which does offer decent settings. Hopefully they at least go that far.

Deleted member 5596 · Apr 10, 2018

cw_sasuke said:
I mean its a PC release in 2018....it better offers 4K support.

Better yet, is UE4...

MasterOfNone · Apr 10, 2018

The joys of contracted work. The Nier:A contract is most likely finished and S-E is not willing to draft up a new contract with Platinum to produce a small patch for a game which most likely has sold through upwards of 80% of it's lifetime sales on PC and which won't be a very big PR hit either (since it's a smaller niche title)

Sir_Bumble_Bee · Apr 10, 2018

Wereroku said:
Well I mean I don't think DQXI's producer has any say in what they do with Nier's pc patches. You kind of need to bring that up to the Nier producer/Platinum.

Yosuke Saito is a producer for both games.
https://twitter.com/saitoyosuke_z?lang=en

Wereroku · Apr 10, 2018

Sir_Bumble_Bee said:
Yosuke Saito is a producer for both games.
https://twitter.com/saitoyosuke_z?lang=en

Yes but this statement was from Hikari Kubota.

Deleted member 8196 · Apr 10, 2018

Wereroku said:
Well I mean I don't think DQXI's producer has any say in what they do with Nier's pc patches. You kind of need to bring that up to the Nier producer/Platinum.

Saito is the producer for both games, and the PC version, according to STEAM was developed by SE and not PG.

jett · Apr 10, 2018

Indeed, Kubota says he knows the Nier: Automata team well. "We're in close contact with one another on a daily basis, and so everything that the Nier experienced has been shared with our team. I've been informed of the struggles that Nier had with deploying some of the updates.

What updates?

Phonzo · Apr 10, 2018

WHAT ABOUT ULTRAWIDE?

Sir_Bumble_Bee · Apr 10, 2018

Wereroku said:
Yes but this statement was from Hikari Kubota.

I'm aware, just pointing out that there is a connection. I still doubt Nier Automata's PC port will receive a patch.

Wereroku · Apr 10, 2018

Stygr said:
Saito is the producer for both games, and the PC version, according to STEAM was developed by SE and not PG.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...mgames-is-working-on-a-nier-automata-pc-patch Seems like Platinum was involved to some degree.

Shifty1897 · Apr 10, 2018

--R said:
If they learned from them, what better than actually release a patch? That makes me really wary of the DQXI PC version. Not even a single patch is really shitty.

Square Enix's record with PC gaming is atrocious. World of Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, and Nier: Automata deserved better than this, I've seen one man dev studios support their games better.

They should be kicked off Steam for a year and told to get their shit together before they come back.

chandoog · Apr 10, 2018

Sounds good. It's a UE4 game so it should scsale to mid/low powered PC's just fine as well. Managed to play Gears 4 on my 1060 Max Q laptop at 1440p/60 FPS. If this is decently enough optimized, I'm hoping for similar or higher performance.

Just an FYI for anyone interested: The OG PS4 version runs at 900p and PS4 Pro runs at 1728p using checker board rendering @ 30 FPS each.

Durante · Apr 10, 2018

Aeana said:
I hope it's actually arbitrary resolution support.

It's a UE4 game, they'd have to work to break arbitrary resolution support.
(and arbitrary framerate support, really. But not work as hard for that one)

MasterOfNone said:
The joys of contracted work. The Nier:A contract is most likely finished and S-E is not willing to draft up a new contract with Platinum to produce a small patch for a game which most likely has sold through upwards of 80% of it's lifetime sales on PC and which won't be a very big PR hit either (since it's a smaller niche title)

At this point, Nier: Automata most certainly made more money on Steam for Square-Enix than any of their other releases that aren't Western/Eidos games or MMOs.
And I'm not very positive that DQXI will match Nier revenue on PC.

koutoru · Apr 10, 2018

That's nice to hear, but PC ports with SE are a toss up.

Vault · Apr 10, 2018

FFXII and FFXV had really good ports so hopefully this with have some effort put into it.

Stuff like Chrono Trigger you could tell they didn't give a fuck and did it cheap

How was Star Ocean 4 was it a good port?

gaogaogao · Apr 10, 2018

so are they gonna fix nier or not?

Dinjoralo · Apr 12, 2018

Oh, this got posted on. I was thinking I'd get notified if so.

Anyways, I don't really get why they wanna boast about supporting "Native 4K" on PC. That's not really a feature, that's part of a basic requirement for any computer game. I guess it means the menus won't be tiny like with older PC games that don't scale interface elements, but again, basic stuff.
It also seems like a really bad idea to bring up Nier:A when they clearly don't have any intent to ever fix it. That's called being mean.

chandoog said:
Just an FYI for anyone interested: The OG PS4 version runs at 900p and PS4 Pro runs at 1728p using checker board rendering @ 30 FPS each.

It's also in an older version of UE4, which is being updated for the international release. So expect better resolutions on PS4 when it comes out, at least.

Durante said:
It's a UE4 game, they'd have to work to break arbitrary resolution support.
(and arbitrary framerate support, really. But not work as hard for that one)

It is possible that arbitrary framerate support could be borked. I remember Killer is Dead being capped to 30 FPS on PC because of QTE's being tied to framerate, and that was in UE3. Different engines and all, but whether SE is being smart or not with deltaTime seems to change with every other release or so, and we wouldn't be able to tell right now since from what I understand DQXI runs at a perfectly stable 30 FPS on PS4.

chandoog · Apr 12, 2018

Dinjoralo said:
It's also in an older version of UE4, which is being updated for the international release. So expect better resolutions on PS4 when it comes out, at least.

The game's already out in Japan though. Based on past trends, I am not expecting any engine upgrades for the localized release at all.

Unless the devs have made comments like that.

inner-G · Apr 12, 2018

My 1080 is ready

Not a big fan of Nier so I can't speak on that one, but I'll definitely be grabbing this at launch

Kudo · Apr 12, 2018

Hopefully 4K is achiavable with GTX 1070.

Puffy · Apr 12, 2018

chandoog said:
The game's already out in Japan though. Based on past trends, I am not expecting any engine upgrades for the localized release at all.

Unless the devs have made comments like that.

They did.

Kouriozan · Apr 12, 2018

This is perfect and cement my PC purchase, hopefully there will be mods increasing the music quality.

Dinjoralo · Apr 12, 2018

chandoog said:
The game's already out in Japan though. Based on past trends, I am not expecting any engine upgrades for the localized release at all.

Unless the devs have made comments like that.

They did. It makes sense to do that, since they've already got people working on localization, updating cutscenes with new VA and facial animations, adding new features, etc. Especially since they have to update the engine to get the game working on Switch, which isn't supported by the version of UE4 the JP version uses.

chandoog · Apr 12, 2018

Huh. Thanks for that link.

This bodes really well:

He mentioned that for those who would consider purchasing the English version, the version of the engine used is different, so he considers it "closer to a remaster than to an update."

Guessing native 1080p (instead of 900p) on OG PS4 and possibly 2160p via CB rendering on Pro.

Hopefully a higher performance mode too.

Philippo · Apr 12, 2018

This + the chances of someone modding in Orchestrated OST makes me really tempted to go with Pc...

Kanann · Apr 12, 2018

Next time I build my rig, I will build it for 4k DQXI !!!

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