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Dusk Golem: PS5 costs around $600 at launch to produce, but pretty sure it’ll cost under that
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He literally just got Shenmue bang on as well.
No, because as I said straight off the bat I expect Dusk Golem's source is a (Japanese) developer/publisher and they are probably overestimating as they did with Switch.
Trust Mochizuki on Bloomberg, or Zhuge? Or Dusk 'I chimed in because I felt things were too one-sided' Golem.
Choice is pretty easy.
Choice is pretty easy.
Except that analysis is also supposition and not based in any secret knowledge.I'll trust this analysis way more than an off handed comment with nothing really backing it
Analysis : Why does Sony's Operating Profit forecast indicate PS5 will probably cost less than $499 ?
It will be a long read guys ;) Informations before we start : Q1 = April-June / Q2 = July-Sept / Q3 = Oct-Dec / Q4 = Jan-March PS5 = PS5 standard / PS5 DE = PS5 Digital Edition PS4 sold 4.5m units during Q3 FY13 (Oct-Dec) and 3.1m during Q4 FY13 (Jan-March 2014) PS4 BOM according to research...www.resetera.com
Not a chance that the base disc model costs a cent more than $499. Sony knows what an enormous factor price is in console launches and how it determines the trajectory of the entire generation. They will not allow Microsoft to beat them on price.
Not really. His Capcom source is great, everything else is up in the air. Why hasn't the price point for the PS5 leaked? It's because that information is only known by a small selected higher ups. The price we have going around is because we have industry analysts from Bloomberg and Zhuge saying that the BOM was 450. If you put those two things in balance, I think that Dusk might not be right here. I believe its true that RE8 was struggling on PS5 and not so much on XSX considering the latter is more powerful, for instance. Why? Because I trust his Capcom source, just not so much everything else. It's not what we like or not, it's his track record. As simple as that. If anything, I think Dusk seems like a nice dude btw.
There's a difference between thinking it's wrong and implying or outright saying that he doesn't actually have inside info and he's making it up as many have done in this thread, even implying he's making it up to be specifically negative about Sony/PlayStation.
But in USD, it's $565?
Yea, good point about contracts. Wasn't thinking about them. Still though, there are still costs that won't be factored into contracts - transportation, labor, retrofitting, etc. Again, won't say that will make it to $600 by any means. But it's also not impossible in a world transformed b- eh, you all know.
WAS Japan taking Covid seriously in February? It was right as the cruise ships things were happening and as this article published, they were just expanding testing in anticipation of community spread. At this time, the work culture in Japan had not changed. The Japanese actually would come under scrutiny later on for the way that the culture didn't really adapt to the idea of social distancing. People were still expected to come into work and stay late hours together. That's neither here nor there. I just don't see how you think the overall cost of manufacturing is DOWN, when there is still chaos worldwide. Even if the Chinese factories are online, there's not a chance that product makers are like "great! Ramp up the lines EVEN FASTER than before!!" at this time. Maybe I'm stupid. Entirely probable.
Well yea, but supply chains apply before production as well too, right? But depending on how much stuff was set in stone beforehand, you may be right that production costs are controlled (though, obviously I'm ultimately still skeptical given my above responses). It's all very opaque.
Has Sony said anything about their global launch plans? Worldwide day 1?
Microsoft's platform this is way stronger now then it was for the Xbox One. Anything higher than $499 would be bad judgement on Sony's end, regardless of the BOM they need to a absorb the difference
I wasn't disputing that there, just don't think it's relevant to what we were talking about lol
But BOM does not equates to final costs, it's just how much the parts costs individually.
Dunno how much assembly, packaging, shipping actually costs though, so a $150 increase just for that is reasonable or not.
I have no horse in this race as I only play on Xbox and won't be getting a PS5. There's zero chance, in my opinion, that Sony are over 500. I'd be absolutely shocked if they were.
Well, I don't know, I think most people are just saying they think he's wrong, but I guess that's fair
That's what market analysis is.... no one but Sony knows those costs and for a random dude to say that's the cost is speculative at best.
I don't think they will but they could probably get away with a higher price, especially if it was only $550. Sony has the momentum, they have both third party and first party exclusives and they have a more geographically diverse base. It would only hurt them in the US and UK really.
I was sleeping and wondered why my tweets blew up.
All I'm going to say is people really are misreading me here, on almost every count. I didn't say this to be some leaking thing specifically for those who think I'm "covering all bases", I don't know the final price Sony will go with, I even state it in my tweet it's just my personal prediction. It's also why I didn't tweet it out to everyone, someone said something that was a bit amusing to me so I just responded with something I had heard. I did not hear 60000 yen specifically was the cost of production, I said the price range in Japan would be 60000-70000 yen from what I heard.
No one needs to believe me, I didn't say this for "leaker cred" or whatever people think I was doing, I was just responding to someone. The fun of both examples here is I didn't post either of these things specifically looking for attention. I am a talkative person, sometimes these things come up in convo and I don't mind talking about it. But people try to spin it like I'm some cartoon villain or something, and start saying I'm saying things I'm really not.
Hopefully it's priced well for everyone, that's the hope.
All I'm going to say is people really are misreading me here, on almost every count. I didn't say this to be some leaking thing specifically for those who think I'm "covering all bases", I don't know the final price Sony will go with, I even state it in my tweet it's just my personal prediction. It's also why I didn't tweet it out to everyone, someone said something that was a bit amusing to me so I just responded with something I had heard. I did not hear 60000 yen specifically was the cost of production, I said the price range in Japan would be 60000-70000 yen from what I heard.
No one needs to believe me, I didn't say this for "leaker cred" or whatever people think I was doing, I was just responding to someone. The fun of both examples here is I didn't post either of these things specifically looking for attention. I am a talkative person, sometimes these things come up in convo and I don't mind talking about it. But people try to spin it like I'm some cartoon villain or something, and start saying I'm saying things I'm really not.
Hopefully it's priced well for everyone, that's the hope.
I don't think there is any scenerio where sony will not be the market leader for consumers due to the reasons you mentioned, they could lose market share in MS markets though.
xCloud is another variable that we don't know how it will play out
You cartoon villian!
I honestly don't get why people here are so obsessed with a +-50 price difference.
I think they'll do the digital version for$500 to say they hit that mark. Regular version will be $550... maybe $600
Especially not when Msoft isn't going above $499. They learned their lesson from their hubris with the PS3. They'll match $499 or even be more competitive to absolutely crush Msoft. Totally theirs to lose.
What you think the price of the digital edition will be? Taking into account what your source or sources have told you.
Cool!
So yet another big gaming thread in Era about absolutely nothing. Good job everyone, the forum's prestige is still intact.
Sure, but I doubt they'd be shipping the parts all over the world (most are probably made in the same place), like they will the actual console, certainly nowhere near as much anyway, so it'd be less of an impact on production costs vs the total costs.
They've said it'll release globally late 2020, don't know if they've gave a full breakdown on what markets that includes, besides just Americas, Europe and Asia.
Edit: ah, seems Dusk didn't mean production costs, but the price they'll charge.
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tbh I think 60k-70k Yen is even harder to believe than the dollar equivalent. It would be a literal death sentence to their Japanese presence.
I think it must be an overestimation.
I think it would be more concerning if MS had a decent lineup of exclusives but they kinda don't at the moment...
You are helping spreading fud mate. It's not nice.
If you are not aware what your tweets do these days then you seriously need to do some reflecting, no offense.
You're not crazy. I get you. You can be skeptical of info without questioning a person's integrity.
Thanks for chiming in here lol. Good morning! Hahahaha. Price in Japan being 60k-70k yen is a lot different than estimating cost of production o.o. Well anyway. People are gonna believe that even less, I imagine XD.
That's my expectation.
If Sony is particularly aggressive then I can see $499/$399.
However whatever the price range will be I think the difference between the disc SKU and the discless SKU will anyway end up at least $100 because it's in Sony's best interest to favour the adoption of the DE SKU and have as many as possible customers that solely buy software from their digital store.
What nonsense.
What type of fucked production is Sony using that the BOM is fucking higher then £1k pricepoint smartphones.
What type of fucked production is Sony using that the BOM is fucking higher then £1k pricepoint smartphones.
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