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Dustin Hoffman accused of sexually harassing a 17-year-old girl
- Thread starter ElectricBlanketFire
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Please be satire.
I'm sad about this one. Hoffman seemed so nice to me.
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For starters, these women felt intimidated to come out against their accusers. If you're an aspiring actress or someone who wants to break into the film industry, you would probably be wary of trying to oust one of the biggest names in Hollywood.
Secondly, this response is exactly why more women don't come out and share their story- Because they are afraid they won't be believed.
Fear of retribution, fear of losing your job, fear of losing your entire future in the industry by being blacklisted...
You knew that though.
This is gonna sound like a weird question but why has no one accused of sexual harassment revelations in the last few weeks, straight out denied it? Its not like lying will break a morality code for these guys. And its not like it can be proven either. Isnt it just he said she said at this point? So why do they end up admitting it?
Is there a legal reason?
His reply is pitiful. You can't move on and grow as a person until you accept that your behavior actually is a reflection of who you are. If you never accept that, you cannot actually change.
Oh no their poor careers that made them millions of dollars while they bullied and abused those working under them
I'm not going to defend ST's post, but has there been any instances where a victim's claim was proven false?
I'm only thinking that there would have to be at least one or two people looking to cash in on this, or just to get attention.
Again, not referencing anyone in particular, I'm just thinking there has to be at least a few false testimonies.
I'm only thinking that there would have to be at least one or two people looking to cash in on this, or just to get attention.
Again, not referencing anyone in particular, I'm just thinking there has to be at least a few false testimonies.
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Most of the accused don't say their accusers are lying. Hell most admit to what they did but in the most disingenuous way possible and try to deflect much of the blame as they can with said statements.
These questions have been answered many times already and discounting it, as you're attempting to do, is pretty disconcerting.
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False accusations are statistically much less likely.
And that post placed the blame squarely on the victims.
Ratner straight up denied his accusations
And likely its to given them good PR. They're not "attacking" the victim. Its a legacy saver.
Another one bites the Dustin.
Its not easy finding out the culture you've been absorbing for years of your life is run by a bunch of scumbags that are creeping while we are clapping.
I mean, when even Mr. Magorium was a dirty bastard all along... It twists the stomach.
Hope the lady is doing well, because this sounds like a horribly shitty experience to get over... Ugh.
Its not easy finding out the culture you've been absorbing for years of your life is run by a bunch of scumbags that are creeping while we are clapping.
I mean, when even Mr. Magorium was a dirty bastard all along... It twists the stomach.
Hope the lady is doing well, because this sounds like a horribly shitty experience to get over... Ugh.
Did you read the article? It says twice that she feared losing her job for trying to fight against him. Dont be obtuse and hateful.
Edit: oh banned. too slow on mobile.
Yes I know. So far the ones getting accused have painted a giant "I'm guilty" mark on their chests with their deflecting responses.
I just wonder what how people will react in the instance that a celebrity lots of people like gets accused and is (hypothetically) totally innocent.
...is this man a cannibal? His language of abuse the correlates women with food is unusually creepy.
Anyway, this train's not going to stop rolling soon, is it?
I mean, you know the answer. They'll be crucified for as long as their innocence can be doubted, and nobody will ever truly view them the same way again, even if the allegations are proven to be false. While this movement is very positive overall, there is an element of hyper-vigilant, "guilty-until-proven-innocent" culture that needs to be kept in check.
Anyway, this train's not going to stop rolling soon, is it?
I mean, you know the answer. They'll be crucified for as long as their innocence can be doubted, and nobody will ever truly view them the same way again, even if the allegations are proven to be false. While this movement is very positive overall, there is an element of hyper-vigilant, "guilty-until-proven-innocent" culture that needs to be kept in check.
How disgusting of him, glad she has spoken out, as for people saying she should have spoken out when this happened it was the 80's who would have believed her, she would have been ignored or threatened in some way.
I'm sure people looking for an excuse or reason to say this wave of harassment revelations will use the few false accusations to try and prove that this entire series of events was blown out of proportion and in fact more hurtful to men and Hollywood than anything else.
This is bonkers. Sadly it doesn't surprise my cynical side, but damn. The Hollywood defense force and victim blaming is real though on the outside. Most of us who post here are sensible or otherwise face a ban anyway, but just YESTERDAY one of my coworkers was victim blaming even Weinstein victims, ugh.
I think it is not a matter of recruiting, but general socialisation. Dismissive behaviour towards women was way more common in the 70s and 80s than it is now and it was more socially accepted back then. In Germany, e.g. there was for instance a moderator who was famous for touching his female guest's breasts. Something that is unthinkable today, but was accepted by the viewing populace back then. So I think the fact that this mainly concerns people who were in the business before the 00s ist because this behaviour was, for the bigger part, shown back then.
When has that ever stopped people from proclaiming their innocence?
I think Ratner is the only one AFAIK.
And doesnt admitting leave them open to lawsuits?
I guess it is because they are mutliple offenders and do not want to have more people come out and say this is behaviour typical of them. So it is strategically better to admit it somewhat but to maintin it is not typical behaviour of yours than to outright deny it and provoke additional people to complain about it. Also, some people may have changed over the years, we are talking misbehaviour of decades in the past, so they may actually feel bad about their behaviour back then. Those are the two things I can think of.
EDIT: Also, is there no such thing as limitation of prosecution in the US? If someone is accused of sexual harassment or similar more than 20 years in the past, I think that legal action cannot be taken anymore, as long as it is not full-on rape (and even then I am unsure if this would still be possible in Germany at least).
It's kind of like people are just now realizing women in general are sexually harassed on a daily basis across all walks of life. A lot of men are pretty disgusting, and the status quo has kind of been for women to just ignore it and keep their heads down. It's good women are feeling more comfortable coming out, it will help with the very real fear of retaliation, as documented in these letters.
the powerful, the famous and the rich were protecting each other for centuries . A toxic culture that is difficult to break, and women have lived with this since forever.
It is something that we are experiencing a social evolution where brave women and standing up and men are starting to listen.
It is something that we are experiencing a social evolution where brave women and standing up and men are starting to listen.
One can hope some good will come out of this, hopefully more victims coming forward, and the accused being confronted with somehting that cannot remain hidden forever, hopefully this culture changes, not only in Hollywood.
i mean that's pretty much what i put at first, but i figured that was incitement to violence so i changed it
So what does Hollywood do next about all this? It's clear that the predatory behavior was widespread for decades. We are only hearing a minority of the stories. Can they just go on and say "well we learned our lesson..." or what lol are people going to do a forum migration on Hollywood?
I guess in the end these things usually happen whenever there is someone in a position of power, and that can be anywhere.
I would think it would be smarter to not deny it in cases like this where it seems multiple people could corroborate the victims story. If that is the case and someone denies it, then they look even worse if someone else contradicts them.
Umm, you can be sexually harassed and groped without your consent at any age and it would still be shitty.