Cool, looks like he's finally gonna get his cummupence. Maybe now people will hate Hitchcock too...or does he get a pass because he is dead?
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Dylan Farrow on Her Father, Woody Allen: 'He's Lying and He's Been Lying for So Long'
- Thread starter Chamomile
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i got it, but poe's law is in effect mode in this mes of a thread
i mean, a few posters are putting in work to defend dude, per usual
Brainwashing is a poor term for the accusation it is really false memory implantation. For Dylan there is no difference between the false and a real memory. In her mind she was abused whether or not she was every physically touched. PT talked about it and there is no way to tell if the memories are real or fake so we're left with evaluating evidence that either corroborates or refutes her claims.
Instead of being presumptuous, you could simply inform us of what Hitchcock has done.
Mia Farrow also mailed this Valentine's card to Woody Allen shortly before making the allegations against him:
Allen also claims Farrow had been making death threats against him after discovering his relationship with Soon-Yi:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...2-valentine-day-woody-allen-article-1.1605686
https://www.scpr.org/news/2014/02/04/41999/timeline-a-look-back-at-the-allegations-against-wo/
I mean... if your 10+ year boyfriend you just found out molested your 7 year old daughter... would you really still be wanting to work with him on movies?
Post your irrefutable evidence that'll convince everyone they're wrong then.
Mia Farrow also mailed this Valentine's card to Woody Allen shortly before making the allegations against him:
Allen also claims Farrow had been making death threats against him after discovering his relationship with Soon-Yi:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...2-valentine-day-woody-allen-article-1.1605686
https://www.scpr.org/news/2014/02/04/41999/timeline-a-look-back-at-the-allegations-against-wo/
The jealous crazy woman angle. Dude is a pedophile. If you can't see that it's cause ya don't wanna. I personally can't stand that shit and believe a grown ass woman when she says it happened. She's not dumb. Her memories are wrong. She has no reason to lie or choose to be a pawn.
Allen assaulting his daughter and Mia Farrow being mentally "unstable" are not mutually exclusive.
He was not barred from seeing her. He was required to see her with a therapist.
Also if I found out my wife was abusing my son my first response wouldn't be to think "this'll be great financial leverage in our impending divorce"
That doesn't really say anything about what happened per se, but it doesn't speak well to her character or how seriously she took the allegation.
Personally I'm on the fence. He seems like a skeevy dude, but parental coaching during divorces happens all the time.
He is the reason Weistein was exposed. And he worked for Obama. He is a legit admirable journalist. And whether or not his biological father is Sinatra or not, Allen was his father legally and otherwise.
Also, sure, he didn't marry his adopted daughter. He just married the daughter of his long time girl friend and his kid's adoptive sister. Maybe they had limited contact until she was 19, but if I married my mom's ex partner of over a decade before being able to legally drink, it would be weird. And they hooked up while he was still with Mia. Tell me it's not a totaly creep fest to cheat on your girlfriend with her teenage daughter. So it's not exactly marrying your daughter, but come on, it's not conpletely out of the ballpark.
yeah, that's how that works, solid post
i'll keep giving women the benefit of the doubt over creeps in abuse stories, but u do u
ah, I thought it was a known story.
www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/tippi-hedren-recounts-alleged-sexual-assault-by-alfred-hitchcock-new-memoir-942371
www.variety.com/2017/film/news/tippi-hedren-alfred-hitchcock-the-birds-sexual-harassment-1202637959/amp/
Basically he sexually harassed the actress from the Birds and he got her blacklisted from making movies. Very in line with what Weinstein did.
You ain't lying. His legal team might want to scout for some potential hires in this thread.
No one is telling you not to believe what you want to believe. That's just a courtesy you and a bunch of others are unwilling to give. It's not enough for you to believe you're right about something you're absolutely 100 percent clueless about, but you have to tell others they're 100 percent wrong about something they're also clueless about.
Sure. Still not relevant in the dicussion of him assaulting a seven year old girl.
I know a person who started a family with his stepsister.
In many places cousins can marry.
People find it creepy. Sure. But I think it's stupid to use it to build a "Allen is guilty"-case. Unless there are things about this that I have missed.
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I don't think anyone is arguing that at the least hes a creep for shacking up with his long time girlfriends daughter.
And tell others not only are they wrong about not 100% believing he did it, but how many are saying because someone isn't sure what to believe that they are "supporters of pedophiles and rapists". Sorry but I take offense to that.
Sorry for the double post
yes, i'm 100% clueless about the same thread/talking points we've had a baker's dozen times now just since this board itself started, you got me there
also presuming all things start on an equal plane in abuse claims & how our society handles them says a great deal
exactly - if it was up to some in here, she'd stay quiet cause it's all "old news" and hey, who can know for certain?
No but there are a shit load of Allen defenders hand waving and dismissing it
Dismissing in what context? There are a shit ton of people who doesn't seem to be able to separate the two things. Falling in love with a person under weird/creepy circumstances =/= Assaulting your 7 year old daughter.
Bingo, but understanding this requires a modicum of complex thought.
Ronan Farrow, the journalist who broke the Weinstein news, believes his sister, and the amount of smoke blotting out the sun surrounding Woody is readily apparent to even a casual observer. So, yeah.
Right. There is a magnitude of difference between dating a 19/20 year old and molesting your 7 year old daughter.
I consider myself fairly well informed but the fact that I didn't even know about this until recently is a testament to how messed up the culture in Hollywood really is. The fact that Woody Allen was able to continue to have a successful career and be well respected for so long without barely any mention (to my knowledge) of the controversy is puzzling.
Even though there were no legal ramifications, public accusations of child abuse and pedophilia don't seem like things everyone would be ok with sweeping under the rug.
I wouldn't say I'm 100% ready to condemn Allen but I hope the actual truth comes out, justice is served, and Dylan is able to find peace.
Even though there were no legal ramifications, public accusations of child abuse and pedophilia don't seem like things everyone would be ok with sweeping under the rug.
I wouldn't say I'm 100% ready to condemn Allen but I hope the actual truth comes out, justice is served, and Dylan is able to find peace.
Y'all are disgusting. It's called grooming, regardless of how much you try to frame it as anything else. You have all earned an ignore for your defense of the indefensible.
It was big news when it happend and it's not gone away. That it slipped you by doesn't mean it being swept under the rug.
If you've never read this article, I strongly recommend it:
http://www.garygreenbergonline.com/...Psychiatry_Battled_the_Devil_-_2013-12-06.pdf
I don't know what happened here, but implanting false memories in children is a thing. Many men went to prison for Satanic ritual abuse that never occurred.
Never forget when Allen compared an article his son wrote about him being a potential molester to a bad film review.
The sexist brigade know better these days than to shit on an abuse victim so they now move onto the evil Lady Macbeth of a mother who was horrible to her kids and would brainwash them out of scorn. These accusations that Mia Farrow was a horrible mother need a bit of context beyond "Moses said". There are countless examples of friends, acquaintances and nannies explaining how Mia was great with kids (she raised FOURTEEN) and how she had said to many of them that she had found her true vocation raising kids hence her pretty much quitting acting after meeting Woody and only appearing in his films. There's a really long and detailed article from 1992 by Maureen Orth on Vanity Fair calledMia's Storywhich illustrates with forensic detail these points and also provides a thorough timeline of the events.
It also includes additional details about Woody's relationship with Dylan and how he was besotted with her to the point of:
- following her from room to room, sitting her down and simply staring at her to the point where Mia would ask him to give her "breathing space"
- arriving early every morning at Mia's house so he could sit by Dylan's bed and watch her wake up
- sticking his finger in her asshole to spread suntan lotion for longer than it's deemed decent for an adoptive father
- getting into bed with her in his underwear, wrapping her body around his and asking her to suck his thumb
- the nanny-reported sticking his face between her legs
He also had already been in therapy for his inappropriate behaviour towards Dylan before the abuse allegation was made. That to me already paints a picture.
In the 33 page custody ruling paper the judge published on this case (which I recommend everyone to read because it is the most qualified opinion anyone will be able to give on the case), he:
- very clearly states that he cannot find Woody guilty because there is no definitive proof of what happened on that day BUT
- deems his behaviour "grossly inappropriate" and that the kids should stay with Mia to "protect them" from Woody
- very clearly says there is "no credible evidence" to support Woody's claim that Mia brainwashed Dylan
- does not claim that Mia was the perfect mother, but he also says that he sees no proof in the allegations made by Woody that she was a horrible mother. In fact, he says that in his view her failings as a mother come, ironically, from the nature of her relationship with Woody
So yeah, I cannot claim that he touched her fanny in the attic that day, but what I can see from the court case is that he behaved in an extremely inappropriate way towards his adoptive daughter and that she was already a victim before that day. The above to me goes way further than being a creep who makes films about 40 year old "intellectuals" falling in love with 17 year old girls. Which he has done. And also goes beyond going behind his girlfriend's back and taking naked pictures of her adoptive daughter and then eloping with her when found out. Which he also did.
He also made a film about a man who kills his lover and "works through his guilt" so he stops feeling remorse and enjoys life fully once again, which incidentally I think it's his best film. Probably because he's SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE.
It also includes additional details about Woody's relationship with Dylan and how he was besotted with her to the point of:
- following her from room to room, sitting her down and simply staring at her to the point where Mia would ask him to give her "breathing space"
- arriving early every morning at Mia's house so he could sit by Dylan's bed and watch her wake up
- sticking his finger in her asshole to spread suntan lotion for longer than it's deemed decent for an adoptive father
- getting into bed with her in his underwear, wrapping her body around his and asking her to suck his thumb
- the nanny-reported sticking his face between her legs
He also had already been in therapy for his inappropriate behaviour towards Dylan before the abuse allegation was made. That to me already paints a picture.
In the 33 page custody ruling paper the judge published on this case (which I recommend everyone to read because it is the most qualified opinion anyone will be able to give on the case), he:
- very clearly states that he cannot find Woody guilty because there is no definitive proof of what happened on that day BUT
- deems his behaviour "grossly inappropriate" and that the kids should stay with Mia to "protect them" from Woody
- very clearly says there is "no credible evidence" to support Woody's claim that Mia brainwashed Dylan
- does not claim that Mia was the perfect mother, but he also says that he sees no proof in the allegations made by Woody that she was a horrible mother. In fact, he says that in his view her failings as a mother come, ironically, from the nature of her relationship with Woody
So yeah, I cannot claim that he touched her fanny in the attic that day, but what I can see from the court case is that he behaved in an extremely inappropriate way towards his adoptive daughter and that she was already a victim before that day. The above to me goes way further than being a creep who makes films about 40 year old "intellectuals" falling in love with 17 year old girls. Which he has done. And also goes beyond going behind his girlfriend's back and taking naked pictures of her adoptive daughter and then eloping with her when found out. Which he also did.
He also made a film about a man who kills his lover and "works through his guilt" so he stops feeling remorse and enjoys life fully once again, which incidentally I think it's his best film. Probably because he's SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE.
Perhaps. I admit I'm rather ignorant on this issue than I would hope.
What does Dylan gain from this after all these years? Someone who was lying would eventually fade away after not being successful with their agenda. Here she is, still airing thus dude out very publicly.
Personally, I think it happened.
I think in either case Dylan a) absolutely believes it happened and b) has been victimized.
See the thing that's happening now is it doesn't matter if it happened or not, what matters is we're judging an individual in the court of public opinion.
Professionals who do this for a living decided there were no grounds for charges but arm chair folks need to pass judgement so Allen is guilty.
I'm amazed that someone wasn't charged in the court of law but the court of public opinion continues to find him guilty.
Yeah, what more evidence do people want, how sick do you have to be to marry your daughter, adopted or not he was her father, period.
Still in disbelief that people run with the "but he was never convicted why are people still believing the woman" line. As if rich powerful men haven't gotten away with evil shit for centuries in the courts.
phew, lotta ugly truths in here
....but like
where's your irrefutable evidence?
where's your irrefutable evidence?
