One thing to note, coal has been dying, just slowly. A capitalism success story really.
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E.P.A. Severely Limits Pollution From Coal Burning Power Plants
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One thing to note, coal has been dying, just slowly. A capitalism success story really.
Really happy biden's admin state is aware of the CRA and getting these things out now. The CRA is a horrible law that not only rolls back regulations but bans them in the future. Saving them from that fate will blunt trump's potential damage if god forbid that's needed.
The Biden admin state offices are extremely competent, these are the reasons I'm so happy to vote for him in November over a man who wants to destroy the possibility of government doing good things.
The Biden admin state offices are extremely competent, these are the reasons I'm so happy to vote for him in November over a man who wants to destroy the possibility of government doing good things.
So, I'll be the Debby downer. How easy would this be to reverse if, say, a genuine gremlin was put back into office?
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He can overturn it. It's an executive branch rule. Trump said he will according to the article.
I'm always skeptical of long term initiatives like this because at some point a republican will get back into the White House and it all goes away. But maybe if we're lucky this will be a case of the technology changing enough where it won't matter if it gets overturned and they do it anyway.
Very. The head of the EPA is a cabinet-level political appointee. The Gremlin could and would replace them.
if that happens there is a long list of toxic emissions more dangerous that you should worry about.
They'd have to go through a rule making process which would delay it, and that would be subject to court challenges which would give liberal judges the same power to do the whole CA5 shit.
It will push industry to invest in cleaner alternatives even if weakened.
That's the problem with this court likely overturning Chevron, it just turns this into a judge shopping exercise instead of trusting experts. And ironically Chevron, as its name suggests, was about trusting Reagan's EPA experts (Gorsuch's mom) in order to weaken regulations.
I'm not sure how meaningful it would be if he did. I believe I'd read even a few years ago that just maintaining an existing coal plant costs more than outright building a new solar or wind installation, much less something less polluting but still non-renewable like natural gas. It will get to a point where the owners of such plants are just keeping them open to be like coal rollers on the roads while basically throwing away money.
This is about pushing them to be unprofitable even faster.
This is an excuse to do nothing. You can't stop acting because of potential changes.
Industry also has to plan for both outcomes or they'll be fucked by competition that does. So even with weakened rules they'll be forced to invest in new tech which benefits everyone.
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What's funny is that fossil fuels are heavily subsidized by the US government, while renewables have to face the full force of the markets and are succeeding.
I never said don't do anything. It's just that my enthusiasm is muted because I know how easily it will be stopped.
seriously, the man is working super hard to improve America
Honestly I don't even think it will take a different president, the Supreme Court will probably do it as soon as someone sues about it.
Is there any signs that Republicans are slowly turning around on this matter? Even slightly?
I agree with Dems on almost all points but if I were a single issue voter it would be climate, and I desperately want the other side to finally see the light. It makes me so depressed
I agree with Dems on almost all points but if I were a single issue voter it would be climate, and I desperately want the other side to finally see the light. It makes me so depressed
Nationally? Culturally? No. I don't think you will for another two-three presidential cycles.
But places like Texas and other GOP states are greatly expanding renewables. They're just fighting any limits on carbon pollution and localities going above GOP gerrymandered legislatures.
I sometimes think about how back during the Obama administration there was a push to help transition coal workers to new industries. In the articles I read a lot of the free trainings and education they got was used by them to further their career in coal. Because they didn't believe the projections that in the next 15 or so years coal would shrink and be replaced with other energy sources. I wonder how those people have been feeling the past 3-4 years
It is immensely frustrating how many on the left — including on this forum — often characterize Democrats as the party of "better things aren't possible," yet whenever Biden does anything good or progressive it's immediately hit with "doesn't matter cuz SCOTUS." Like fucking hell, there's nothing wrong with celebrating when something good happens. And if a Republican president or court does indeed try to overturn it, let that be another thing to help disabuse you of "both parties are the same and Dems don't actually want to do anything."
Others have alluded to this, but I'll put it simply - all it takes is Biden getting a second term for most of his environmental executive actions to stick. Even if a Republican is elected in 2028, by the time the repeal of the rules have gone through, there will have been so much momentum and planning (you can't just pray for a better rule in 6 years) that this will build upon itself. Not to mention a more liberal makeup of the courts.
He's purposefully overprovisioning on climate moves, however, so that only some, not all need to survive (for now at least).
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I feel more anxiety about this election than I did about 2020
Texas has completely inadvertently become a renewables powerhouse just by a combination of geography (it's both sunny and windy) and low regulation on land use, so companies can buy a plot a land and very quickly turn it into a solar/wind farm, without the years-long permitting process you'd get in a lot of other places. The local GOP is angry about it — business is supposed to be about owning the libs! — but it's basically their capitalist ethos working the way they say it's supposed to, business quickly moving to offer an in demand product through the cheapest means available.
While it's fantastic that coal is dying, natural gas is not really cleaner. It's actually just methane, which leaks all over the place and is a much worse greenhouse gas than CO2. The gas industry has done an incredible job green washing their product as a "bridge fuel" but it's a freaking joke. Highly recommend this video for more details:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2oL4SFwkkw
Natural Gas Is Scamming America | Climate Town
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Yeah I was gonna say, this change feels somewhat toothless considering the ratio of coal power to natural gas that we have now. We can start to reverse the worst effects of climate change, but we need to work faster.
But anything to fully kill coal forever is nice.
But anything to fully kill coal forever is nice.
Over here in the UK, home of Coal and the Industrial Revolution, we're just about to shut down our very last Coal fired power plant:
www.theguardian.com
A better world, a world without Coal, is possible.
End times for the UK’s final coal-fired power station
At Ratcliffe-on-Soar in Nottinghamshire, the turbines will stop spinning for good this year as the UK meets its pledge to ban coal use. We meet staff proud of the site’s 56-year history
www.theguardian.com
A better world, a world without Coal, is possible.
