Okay thanks guys, it's really confusing. X1X is my main platform, I am very happy with it, but they should not do this. Gap widens as it seems.
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EA Has Provided A New Combined Install Base Estimate for PS4 & XB1 (READ OP)
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Okay thanks guys, it's really confusing. X1X is my main platform, I am very happy with it, but they should not do this. Gap widens as it seems.
If the estimates are unfairly low, it's trivially easy for Microsoft to correct them by providing actual data.
In the end EA and Microsoft have different goals.
MS knows that they can't really grow their console customer base much this late in the generation, so their focus was to show how efficient they were in keeping their current customers happy and spending. Microsoft showed that their customers are spending more money on average per head than an equivalent PS4 customer. An optimist would say this is good, because that means they are keeping their hard core fanbase in anticipation of the next generation.
EA, however, focus on the consumer base. They sell games, and they want to know how many people would actually be in a position to buy an EA game without needing to buy a new console first. The 103m number is basically their sales ceiling, the maximum number of copies an EA game can sell if everyone who CAN buy one, buys one.
The closest thing to that magical 103M is GTA 5, which sold 90m copies. (Ask ZhugeEX, he reported it like many other news outlets.)
Obviously there would be double-dipping happening, but the point is that EA was interested in how many MORE people they can sell their games to. That they haven't reached saturation yet is a positive, if you think about the level of growth that is possible.
And that's where I am making my point. That If you want to view MS's "high engagement" as a sign of them halting the bleeding until they could make a comeback with XboxTwo, or alternatively the reality that they are not really growing their consumer base because the high levels of engagement can be interpreted to be a lack of new customers and thus, no growth.
EA and bishoptl are saying 29.4M as of Jan 1st. That is much lower than estimated. And most likely the reason engagement is their new benchmark.
Idk why we're still debating this. This comment here makes total sense to me. Especially the idea that EA is discounting consoles that aren't active. That way both PS4 and Xbox One numbers are lowered
That's where I get confused. Bish says EA's numbers are right but ztsuge says they're around 35 or higher.
Like most of active xbox fans ;) was this the problem you didn't realized?
Sony has been outselling Microsoft in the NPD reports monthly for months now, so how could it be 50/50?
But then where is that 50/50 coming from if you don't follow any of the charts?
tbh i didn't take this post seriously, comes off as incredibly emotional and petty. i personally never found any "clear" evidence of him being sony biased, and i don't get how him verifying or checking if someone had legit access to information they claimed to have could be in any way related to a "bias". either way, he has an account here, and you can take your issues with him straight to his inbox.
Considering all the insiders have been saying its 35-37 million, I'm taking this with a grain of salt. Either that or it proves none of the insiders here have any real inside information in terms of sales.
I don't know why but man your avatar is like straight from some Yahoo 360 message board
Annnd you're utterly full of shit. I mean blatant console warrior shitposts like yours are one thing. But calling out people with legit sources?
Talk about obtuse.
Did either of you read the rest of ZhugeEX's post though? He said they're not wrong if they're not talking about total worldwide sales. Either Bishop was being purposely misleading and he knew that they weren't reporting on total worldwide sales estimates, or he is wrong.
Can he possibly be wrong? Wouldn't EA be more accurate than him?
This makes no sense. I feel like people are bending over a bit just to bash bish. I also see no reason to distrust EA's numbers, even if you have to put an asterisk to it (as in, they may not be including some region or certain numbers). They are still accurate.
Let's move on, people.
There are not many reasons to buy a Xbox One if you already own a PS4 or a gaming PC. Enthusiasts like people that are active in forums are not really representative.
Would make sense. Also to close this, what were Sony's official numbers for PS4? If it's more than this then we know what's up.
Edit: just checked and it's around 78 million. So about 5 MIL missing which could be the same story for Xbox. There you go then people. Problem solved.
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Funnily enough it was ZhugeEX, who has pretty much confirmed that these numbers aren't total worldwide sales, that also basically confirmed that CBOAT was a shared mod account:
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I mean, they're not accurate if they're excluding a big chunk of sales lol. They're the opposite of accurate when painted as "total worldwide sales to date" if they aren't an estimate of total worldwide sales to date. That's not even remotely debatable. You see no reason not to trust EA's numbers even if they don't include potentially 5-6 million xbox sales? Really? If I was to say "PS4 has sold 56 million consoles worldwide" then you would trust that is correct, even if I was not including the USA in that figure? That makes no sense. It's not about bashing a user, it's about calling him out to provide proof of his claim because of how well known he is, when all evidence points to him being wrong.
Bish isn't an analyst like Zhuge who mentions these numbers exclude other variables.
Also EA have not said 29m that's your projection based on Sony shipped number, again EA must not be using that number as it doest add up with 2016 numbers.
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the only thing i could say is they are not using the same data for both consoles
use Sony's official numbers + guesstimates on MS's and their guesses have been off by a lot since the last official report from MS
just from sheer numbers of software sold Activision would have the most accurate numbers for Xbone i would guess
The mod you quoted even said their numbers aren't wrong. We just don't know their exact metric. They are saying "install base." This could mean different things based on what their definition is.
This is pretty simple. You want to argue that their numbers are completely untrustworthy just because their numbers don't line up to Sony's or what's in your head. First you have to understand their metric. Same with any type of measurement of any type of quantity. In EA's metric Sony's numbers are probably less than what Sony put out as well. I don't see how hard this is to get.
I also detect a hint of console warring in your post. I'm not really arguing from this angle.
I mean he said they're not wrong, but he also said that they must be excluding a lot of things. So they are 100% wrong in terms of being called total sales, which people are taking them as.
This is pretty simple, correct. You can use this as a different metric, but not as an accurate estimate of total console sales this generation.
I have no idea what you're talking about in terms of console warring. Nothing I said has anything remotely like console warring. I was saying that we know the PS4 has sold over a certain amount, and if I was to say that it has sold less than that you wouldn't trust my estimate, would you? No, and you shouldn't. We know these figures are not accurate worldwide sales figures. They are a correct estimate for whatever EA estimate them as, but it's not worldwide sales.
As the writer of the article stated in this thread, every measurement has a margin for error. I have no reason that these numbers are close given the margin for error.
That doesn't mean the Xbox One, for example, isn't sitting at 35 million actual sold, like Zhuge said.
As for the console warring, the post made it seem like I was easily accepting lower numbers because it was Xbox, whereas I would put the numbers under greater scrutiny if it were PS4. If that wasn't your intention, I misjudged, but that's what it seemed.
That's a damn huge margin for error lol.
If they're saying it's at 29 but it's at 35 then that to me says the numbers aren't accurate. You can't hide behind a margin for error of 20% lol.
My post did nothing of the sort for your last bit, you misinterpreted it.
This is pretty funny for a different reason - look at the last line: Need to evolve beyond the "battle of the boxes". People here are all about the battle of the boxes, and when 1 company is literally moving away from the battle of the boxes, they get shit on massively and accused of all sorts of lies and PR spin.
30m is low but expected. I really don't understand where that 35-37m number was pulled out of.
Don't get your hope high for official numbers from Ms tho.
My thing is this.
whether it's 30 or 35 million is pretty much meaningless.
Microsoft's biggest problem is that it doesn't seem to be able to engage enough people outside the US and UK markets.
As gaming becomes increasingly diverse and global, that has to be a huge concern for them.
whether it's 30 or 35 million is pretty much meaningless.
Microsoft's biggest problem is that it doesn't seem to be able to engage enough people outside the US and UK markets.
As gaming becomes increasingly diverse and global, that has to be a huge concern for them.
Title says EA are estimating. I'm guessing that comes from people that have installed an EA game? How else would they get the data/ Do people know what that word in the title "estimate" means going by some of the replies.
Just last week someone in the other thread said Xbox had hit 35 million over a year ago already lol.
Shows you how bad fanboys can be with sales and estimates.
Shows you how bad fanboys can be with sales and estimates.
Skip to 4:45. Kaz shows chart of ps2 ww shipments at 71.30 Million worldwide ending March 2004. Pretty cool.
I don't particularly expect them to, which is also why I think they're probably not unfairly low.
If I were to say, "You are 2'5" tall", you would either respond, "Actually, my height is [insert actual number here" or perhaps say, "That is clearly not the case" and provide a picture of yourself not being extremely short.
If major publishers are underestimating the install base that's a problem Microsoft would move swiftly to correct, as that influences decisions regarding things like advertising partnerships and exclusivity contracts. The only reason they wouldn't correct it is if it's true.
Dunno, maybe poll a sample of the customer base and extrapolate to the rest using the real sales numbers
It's 'estimate' because EA can't officially release Microsoft's numbers, that's up to Ms. I would say EA have pretty accurate ways to track these numbers.
Yea looking at Spain or France or Germany charts makes that kinda clear.
Damn if true it is lower than expected .I thought 35 to 36 is where they r at . Anyways hopefully they will learn their lesson for next gen .
It seems ms failure to post sales figures has bit them in the ass.
Either analysts estimated far too high at the beginning of the year, or the reality of the situation is much more dire than was believed. Either way, not a good look to be outed this way when people thought sales were much higher.
Either analysts estimated far too high at the beginning of the year, or the reality of the situation is much more dire than was believed. Either way, not a good look to be outed this way when people thought sales were much higher.
People surely hate reading, huh:
This is in the OP. Xbox didn't sell only 29M.
This is in the OP. Xbox didn't sell only 29M.
If anything, the fanboys are the people denying that the Xbox was surely over 30M as the EA numbers are probably excluding Asia, as you see that their numbers for the PS4 and Switch are lower too. The numbers don't make sense with the data we have.
It seems they are doing worse than I thought. Wow, if these numbers are true. It explains why they stopped reporting sales numbers ages ago.
Hopefully they learn their lesson well for next gen because this gen is a total disaster for them.
Hopefully they learn their lesson well for next gen because this gen is a total disaster for them.
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