Nothing stopping him from posting a follow up. He's the one who volunteered that information, so the onus is on him to clarify
EA Has Provided A New Combined Install Base Estimate for PS4 & XB1 (READ OP)
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Didn't CBOAT completely leak MS E3 like a week before it happened? Wouldn't that be a good insider?
Former mod at gaf that would approve of insider information and if bish approved you, it meant your source was credible.
I thought that was ntkrnl. Regardless, those types of attention seeking insiders were the worst aspect of the old forum.
Wii U level in Japan are 3 millions. Xbox One has sold until now 90k in 4 years. One of the worst hardware console sales in 4 years ever there.
Many consoles were discounted with better sales in a shorter period of time.
man the fact that people don't know Bish is weird. Even though he's not a mod I still get triggered when he shows up
And that's why they don't forecast sales figures these days. If the Xbox One was selling like hotcakes you know Microsoft would be touting the figures publicly.
Not enough to account for a 5 million gap, there is zero chance XB1X has sold that many in 6 months
Stop mixing EA estimates with offical Ps4 Sony numbers as a true part.
That will give the total error margin of the combined installbase just to the Xbox One part.
And then you'll get a result of EAs estimate being well below the actual US only sell through.
There was also a time when EA and Activision talking about WW installbase didn't include Japan, because they didn't publish their games there.
That will give the total error margin of the combined installbase just to the Xbox One part.
And then you'll get a result of EAs estimate being well below the actual US only sell through.
There was also a time when EA and Activision talking about WW installbase didn't include Japan, because they didn't publish their games there.
I think you're right. I was just a lurker during that time at the old place so I'm not clear on really what happened.
I think it’s reasonable to think these latest numbers are to low, but it’s entirely possible there is some sort of discrepancy in one of the numbers and not both. As Zhuge mentioned, maybe they aren’t factoring in the Xbox One X. IDK, but I do think it’s possible that one of the numbers are incorrect and one is correct.
45 mln looks way too high.
35-38 mln is what i was expecting cause i remember even last year here a lot of people here saying how "there is no problem, everything is fine" and yet One X did fine but never been the first console in US for a single month, and i know in EU they are doing bad lately (not to mention Asian markets) based on Switch sales.
In France / Spain Switch already outsold Xbox One or close to it, even in UK you can see how multiplatform games like FIFA sold more on Switch than XB1 despite dealing with limitations.
Not sure if EA numbers are accurate but i think people here were expecting Xbox One to be on track with PS4 and it's nowhere near that.
But again, these are all assumptions, EA numbers are more credible than me or even leakers.
Taking into account the 59 million xbox live users. lets say 10-15 million of those aren't on xbox and are through mobile and PC and surface pros etc. That leaves around 40-45 million potential xbox one users. Which is a number id probably more closely believe.
Jeez.....forget PS4 sales numbers, forget Xbox One sales numbers and forget Switch sales numbers.
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Why the hell is anyone listening to EA????? LMAO.
In Dragon Age Inquisition MP (which I was hooked on, PC) there were weekly community challenge for Xbox, PC, and PS4. The PS4 players had to do around double of what the PC and Xbox players goals were every time. This was a long time ago, and I can only imagine the gap widening. Dragon Age Inquisition also had Xbox promotion and EA Access.
So yeah, if there's no way for PC players to pick between Xbox or PS4, like Fortnite but shared pool instead of invite only, at least do PS4 + PC. XBOX + Switch + PC would need Switch users to very interested in the games to make up for not just going PS4 + PC.
Anyway how would EA know the exact numbers? Not every Xbox owner buy a EA game and link their console to EA somehow.
So yeah, if there's no way for PC players to pick between Xbox or PS4, like Fortnite but shared pool instead of invite only, at least do PS4 + PC. XBOX + Switch + PC would need Switch users to very interested in the games to make up for not just going PS4 + PC.
Anyway how would EA know the exact numbers? Not every Xbox owner buy a EA game and link their console to EA somehow.
why wouldn't we? they're in a position to provide good estimates of these things
It's not anywhere near 45.
I doubt it's even near 40.
But 33-35 sounds about right. 29.5 is just...no way. As Zhuge said, based on EA's numbers, Xbox would have to have sold 3.8m in 2017 and he already said they sold 4 or more in the US alone lol.
People were saying ntkrnl was a known plant to ferret out leakers such as CBOAT. Not sure what the truth is. It was all rather annoying tho.
Cboat was less than 50 % correct and really showed his true colors with the Titanfall ramblings. Ntkrnl leaked the press conference.
Users isn’t the same as consoles sold, you can have more than one user on a console.
And even with that factored in, they are still only estimates. We won't know for sure unless Microsoft decides to announce them, which still seems unlikely.. unless enough of these articles might cause them to come out and spill the beans in their defence ;)
The install base EA cares about is related to the potential number of game sales, not the number of consoles sold. Many people own more than one XBox or PS4, or own both a PS4 and an Xbox, but those households only count for one potential game sale. Perhaps their estimated install base number is households and not units sold?
It's not really "concern trolling" to point out that the numbers aren't impressive. That's the logical reaction when looking at the numbers. 35+ is not as bad, but still quite low. What else do you expect people to say?
This is very unrealistic. The system doesn't sell well anywhere but the US and maybe the UK. And even then the numbers aren't that big for 40M. Just assume 35M~
Never forget Bish, his comment is the only thing I'm trusting in this thread. I doubt he's being sarcastic, but that's what I'm going on. He seem to believe it.
Neither has official numbers, so neither is wrong or right or "confirmed" anything. You can pick whose estimate you prefer to believe.
Because that's what they are, estimates.
...you’re going to believe Bish over Zhuge, a trusted and verified source?
Ahah.
Ahahahahahahahahah.
Please tell me you’re joking.
Xbox One sales in Europe are terrible, but the Japanese numbers cross into the realm of total humiliation. I guess that Microsoft feel that they have to keep trying to sell it there in order to try and combat the problem of the PS4's defacto Japanese exclusives, but seeing weekly unit sales that can be as low as TWO DIGITS must be soul destroying.
I don't know Zhuge. I haven't seen that person's post in this thread yet. I'll look for it, thanks.
Edit: Saw the post, I did read that one. I'm still thinking the Xbox One may be around 35mil so even after reading it, nothing seems drastically different to me. PS4 maybe around 72mil is still at the half mark.
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I would have expected Xbox One would be doing better by now. Did the Xbox One X help any?
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lol
I expect the Xb1 to reach 50mil by the tail end of its lifespan.
Not possible. We have NPD numbers and we know that US contributes 60%+ of Xbox ww sales. We also know that sales are bad in the other big markets - Japan, Germany, France, Spain, etc. So unless Xbox did 5m in Mexico, 3m in Brazil and so on 32-37m is where it's at.
I don't think it's as simple as saying pick whose estimate you prefer to believe. No. Who is more likely to be more accurate? Ask that instead
they were selling xbox 360s like hot cakes and now sony is basically outselling them 2:1
''lol'' indeed
Zhuge is a part of Niko, which is an analyst company based in China. They have numbers from all sorts of sources. Besides, his estimates are based off NPD.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4xbox-one-combined-sales-reach-55-million-units-/1100-6434295/
Total IB: 55M at the end of 2015
PS4: 35.9M
XB1: ~19.1M (Simple subtraction)
XB1 US LTD 2015: 11.12M
WW LTD 2015: ~7.98M (Simple subtraction)
XB1 US LTD 2017: 20.13M
WW LTD 2017: ~9.27M (Simple subtraction)
Yeah, no way.
Total IB: 55M at the end of 2015
PS4: 35.9M
XB1: ~19.1M (Simple subtraction)
XB1 US LTD 2015: 11.12M
WW LTD 2015: ~7.98M (Simple subtraction)
XB1 US LTD 2017: 20.13M
WW LTD 2017: ~9.27M (Simple subtraction)
Yeah, no way.
Zhuge is a professional analyst. His comment is in the OP, but you already know that because you've already read it right? :)
Nah cboat aka bish just made up a bunch of bs that wasn't true. Like xbox one having yield problems for example
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