You're comparing a single analysis firm with a corporation that is likely taking and analyzing data from multiple sources, including multiple analysis firms from different areas of the world, manufacturer themselves, and direct retailer sources.
Okay, simple question for you: does NPD's data have a smaller margin of error than EA's composite data or not?
Not possible, neither console has a connectivity rate that high.
I am not saying EA numbers are correct but they are literally the biggest third party publisher out there. I am pretty sure they have at least some knowledge on this kind of stuff.
EA is almost certainly using NPD data. They are just adjusting it in house for their own estimates. I mean they could easily be removing regions that they feel are not important to their sales/shareholders. NPD gives these companies data to do exactly that.
Agreed, but I found it funny people were still making demands of bish, some even in a mocking manner after ZhugeEX had already clarified.
They don't have a smaller or bigger margin of error. They have a different margin of error because their statistical methods and source pool are entirely different.
That's right. NPD only for Zhuge.
Install base is not the same as NPD hardware sold. EA is very specific about focusing on the term "install base". NPD is about purchasing numbers, they are not directly equivalent though there are correlations.
Just because 4 million consoles are sold does not mean the install base increased by that amount. The mid-gen upgrade is a big factor in this.
WiiU was a first party only system while the Xbox gets every mayor 3rdParty title... I think it's fair to say that people can expect more from it.
In which case you can't compare it to Sony's 72.6 million unit number from December 31, since that is explicitly referencing worldwide sales in totality. The two data pools are incomparable, and yet a comparison between them is the basis for this calculation of Xbox One sales numbers.
Even if Microsoft game numbers unless they were just shipped they would be estimates as well.
Exactly most likely EA is adjusting these numbers for their own internal estimates.
It's almost like you're taking NPD's numbers as gospel. You're free to, but they're not. There is no known factor here.
Because they can see who is using their software is my guess.
I know how statistics works, but there is a degree of margin of error that can and is in fact calculated for any data pool. Earlier, you implied that a smaller data pool will have a smaller margin of error than a larger one (which is sound logic). Now, ignoring the fact where suddenly you're not talking about degrees of margin of error at all, my question is, which data pool likely has a quantifiably smaller margin of error?
This makes no sense. You're implying that NPD is very very wrong by this. NPD says the Xbox One sold 4M in a year in the US, for it to be SUB-4M WORLDWIDE it would to be VERY wrong and this isn't happening.
Yes, which brings it to 67 million, and puts Xbox at 34.6 million or so.
Of course it did. Europe was always going to be an uphill battle for Microsoft, but still, the 360 made waves there. Yet it was never going to conquer that whole market in a single generation.
Indeed. EA is truly neutral on this matter and they only care about making as much money as they can from both sides. How many customers they can potentially capture is too big a deal to lie about.
Compare the 3rdParty support on both systems - ofc the system getting every big current gen releases had more potential than a flop like the WiiU. Being able to outsell the WiiU with this kind of support shouldn't be celebrated lol.
EA officially best tracker now. Looking forward to monthly numbers updates by them, your time is finished, NPD
If Nintendo is right about their predictions and EA is right about these estimates, Switch would be already above Xbox One by the end of this fiscal year (March-April 2019) with 37-38 mln units sold.
You can't take EA's umbers for one thing but not the other. EA says Switch will be only at 30 million old by the end of the year.
Sorry, shouldn't have said "clarified" but instead said "provided more insight."
EA has no obligation to report install base. I don't know if you are trying to joke or anything, but the fact is they will report numbers when they feel like it, making it unreliable as a source for info.
The person you quoted wasn't celebrating anything. They were saying comparing it to WiiU sales is absurd. Which is true.
I wasn’t celebrating it selling double the Wii U, I was pointing out that people saying 30 million sales to date is ‘Wii U territory’ or ‘Wii U bad’ isn’t accurate. Wii U shifted 14 million. In no world is ~30/35 million console sales ‘Wii U territory’.
They said "over 30 milion", which sounds very generic to be honest.
CBOAT isn't an insider. This was confirmed at the beginning of this websites creation by many people including Zhuge. He was made up to pretend like he was a Microsoft employee but he was actually a burner account multiple mods had access to. Weird, considering I remember a time where Bish "confirmed" FUD that cboat posted. He was wrong on numerous occassions and usually in regards to spreading FUD about Microsoft and Xbox: Titanfall, XB1 development issues, Halo 5 being Prince of Persia, the "only 5-10k" NPD difference between PS4 and XB1 when the XB1S was released (seemingly to damage control the fact that Xbox One won by a large margin that month), and so much more.
Yeah, and also people posting tips to the site were leaked by him (mostly not true, hence the mixups like Halo 5 sand being PoP), except weirdly only negative Microsoft news, and yes leaking E3 is negative.
"He" messed up way more than that.
Yep.
That's another one I remember, and Bish confirming while banning people who argued against it. I never had a problem with Bish but there was a certain time period when things seemed real fishy. Crazy to think people believed Cboat was a real person for over a decade.
Someone didn't read the OP.
That would not be anywhere strange considering the margins of error of this kind of statistics.
The calculation of the margin of error is in itself a statistic. Math and statistics are different disciplines.
